"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

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Words we beleive we know their origin....

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Post by Zeus10 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:22 pm

Albanian like every language has borrowed terms from the international terminology especially those related to science, technology, politics and diplomacy. Usually these kind of words, have derived from the languages of culture and liturgy, like Greek, Latin, Sanskrit etc. Although the scientist are capable to explain the meaning of most of these terms which usually show themselves as compound words, they have never shown not even in a single case the meaning of a constituent word, within a compound structure. Let's take an example: ISOMETRIC, according to all encyclopedias and dictionaries this word means literally: equally dimensions, and its definition is:

Of or exhibiting equality in dimensions or measurements.

This is so because, the linguists deeply beleive that:

The term "isometric" comes from the Greek for "equal measure"

Therefore isometric is nothing else but the unbroken fusion in a compound term, of the word iso-s(meaning equally, or equal) plus metron(meaning, dimension, derived from the ""Greek""" verb metrein).

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The word ISO might look Greek, in the eyes of ignorant worldwide scientists, but the truth is that this is the Albanian word njësoj:

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The only trick is that the popular way in Albanian to say njësoj(equal), is exactly the ""Greek" word: ISO-j. This is because the numeral një(or nji) in a common Gheg dialect is pronounced like I, and we all know that the letter I, always would represent the numeral 1(one), in any writen language. And yes in Albanian, I- means one(një), while soj means kind, type, race.

Një-soj= Nji-soj=I-soj-----> meaning one of the same kind=equal

It makes complete sense for the ear of even most uneducated Albanian, and THIS IS NOT A GREEK WORD, but if the linguists will insist saying so, then we have to admit, that Greek, in its ancient form has been just an Albanian idiom.

As for the ""Greek"", metrein(verb measure) or metron(noun measure, dimension), this is another example that this word is nothing but Albanian, and derives from the verb MAT(measure) and the noun meter(measure).

We have had a chance to talk about the etymology and the inflection of this word in this thread:

http://www.arberiaonline.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=727

Measurement of the LANGUAGE PIE


It has been a long time, that intellectuals, scholars and Western linguists, unable to discover the real roots of the languages have come up with the theory of Proto-Indo-European language, according to them, a language already disappeared, by which always according to them, lay out all European languages, giving the same credit to the natural offspring and vehicular ones. The following example is one of the many, that this would likely be not true, empirical roots of PIE language are a "scientific" fairytale , which adds more mystery in the whole account. The truth is that all words of written/spoken, are graphical /lexical transformation product of the primitive words which carry a particular concept in themselves, and there is nowhere common PIE roots, which linguists has filled their books with, defocusing our attention from the simple truth.


Already proven by modern linguistics, in basis of primitive words, where it points-out the verbs, is a system c-v-c (consonant-vowel-consonant) sounds. In Albanian language almost all the verbs obey this rule, eg: 'catch, step, get, increase, see, plays, etc.(kap, hap, marr, rris, shoh, loz) or a even a simpler system eat, drink, do, stay etc(ha, pi, bej, rri), thus a combination of a consonant with a vowel. One of the most ancient primitive words of Albanian language that has been created when the language has innate itself, is the verb “mas” (measure), which is pronounced so often indiscriminate as “mat”, especially when used for lexical forms of the past, participle/infinitive, names or surnames. What is measuring(matja) itself? Measurement is a action performed by human to LEARN about the object/phenomenon, which we evaluate in the vast majority of cases of its dimensions, mass and all other physical measurable characteristics , that make us able to distinguish it from other objects/phenomenas. Measurement is done also for people, ex. when we meet an unknown person, except measurement (evaluation) of the stature of his appearance, we also learn from him his intellectual level, while measuring(estimating) it. So measurement(matja) is to learn(mesuar). It is the latter that has been introduced ready from Albanian as a graphical concept to provide the English term of measurement/mass(matjes/mases):

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So the English word, does not derive from a common third source (PIE language) together with Albanian one, but it is itself participle of Albanian verb “learn, learned” (mesoj->mesuar->mesur (Gheg). But this has not happened only to English, it is quite evident even in "another" language , ancient Greek, the word unlearned(pamesuar in blue):

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which of course has its lexical appearance in a simpler form, that of Gheg dialect unlearned (i pamesu) where:
pamesu = pa + mesu
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Where à of the "Greek" marked with diacritical mark above has the same ‘negative’ value as the Albanian pa(without) and most likely they are the same and belong to the same language but in different time. That's how true is this, that the other "Greek" expression is nothing but Albanian word unmeasured(pamatës) which has a small deviation in meaning, but expresses the same primitive concept. So "Greek," does not use the verb measure(mas) to express estimation/learning, but measures, while Albanian uses it both [as verb] (mas & mat). It is interesting that when Albanian language has built the other verb learn (mesoj (masoj) has used mass(mas) while "Greek" has used “mat” from its Greek vocabulary (read: Albanian):


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The verb MAT (or MAS) of Albanian has formed innumerable lexical forms not only in Albanian itself but in other "foreign” languages too, which are only forgotten spoken Albanian idioms customized to write the language, and later separated as a distinct new language:

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So we do not have to do with a secluded common source the PIE language(which according to the linguists, is obsolete), but what we see is Albanian lexical forms that certainly appear inflected, always following the laws of its morphological transformation, and obtained ready-made of "foreign languages”, or graphically written somewhat differently from what we write our language today. Of course the mathematics expression indicates a continuous action of measurement and is not any particular expression of the "Greek":

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It only shows that the word in blue (math) is a lexical form of the primitive verb measure(mat, with red) by integrating sound “h” in the morphology of the word, a sound so dear to Old "Greeks" and Albanians, or better to say only, Albanians.

"Others" Europeans, the English seem to have properly used the Albanian language and its expressions to build their vocabulary, whose words being written with Latin letters as well as Albanian , do not create confusion as "Greek" does on the graphical aspect. For example to use pjekuri(mature) the English uses the word mature:

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But perhaps few Albanians who make the proper connections, that mature(te pjekur) we do call experienced adults, a virtue that comes together over the ages. It is the adults cautious, careful, and thus “measured” (te matur), or mature as we use in English :

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So to be mature, to become the “measured”, the time should elapse , or ORA(time) must come, you're not mature on the first place. Therefore, the ancient ""Greeks “" called exactly this expression ORA :


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Because such they were not, and for this has come ORA (time) to say the truth, the time made us cautious(MATUR), to discover out our divine language history and to take credit for our past..

After this detailed explanation, I think would be fair to remove the word "Greek" from any encyclopedia when the definition of the word isometic is been given, and replace it with ALBANIAN:

The term "isometric" comes from the ALBANIAN for "equal measure" isojmatur

and this is not the only one, hundred and thousants of Ancient Greek language, empirically transmited to the modern one, could be explained only in Albanian. They are simple and meaningful in Albanian.
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Re: Words we beleive we know their origin....

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Post by Orakulli » Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:49 am

Shkallet po ngjiten vetetimthi.
Duhet te regullosh pak vjetersine e fjaleve.Gegenishtja eshte me e vjeter dhe versioni(qe eshte me te njeten renje tek "njizon" si dhe me te njejten rrenje tek /njëi(nji) ten,njitën)) "njisoj" eshte baza.Kjo vjene nga me e vjetra 'isoj".Vjen nja koncepti bashkues i dy koncepteve te vecanta;'nji dhe 'soj.ne kemi ne perdorim sot dhe versionin me te vjeter/isoj/, 'i dhe 'soj,i cili shikohet nga gjuhetaret e medhenj si thjesht nji dialekte.Ato nuk jane dialekte.Ato tregojne fazat evolutive te rritjes se te njetes fjale.vetem gjuha Shqipe e ka kete mundesi ,ngaqe nuk u sheshua nga nje gjuhe standarte artificiale e vendosur vetem politikisht nga shtetet mesjetare,duke perdorur nje grusht te vogel njerezesh qe quheshin prifterinj ne ate kohe.
Kjo eshte gjuhesi Zeus.Mbaj kete linje dhe do te hapen shume here me teper dyer perpara.
Hiq dore nga etimologjia historike.Perdore ate vetem per ndertim evidence(gjeja me e mire qe ka bere etimologjia.Ndertimi i magazines se fjaleve)dhe dhe ate evidence arsyetoje ne menyren e mesiperme(semiologjike) per te arritur tek premisa e gjuhes se madhe Shqipe,i cila mban guret e themelit te nderteses gjigante gjuhesore.
Une kam hequr me dore kohe nga nacionalizmi dhe kendevshtrimi Etimologjik.Eshte dicka shume me e thelle Zeus dhe me sa po shoh une ,po fiton dhuntine e dallimit te gjithe kesaj.
Perfundimi:"i soj mat' është Isometria.Fakteqesia e gjuheve te reja eshte mungesa e numrit "nji" ne fjalorin e tyre.
Etimologjia nuk eshte shkence dhe nuk ka qene ndonjihere.
Une kam thene vetem 15%.Te ngelet te zhvillosh vete ,ne menyren tende dhe te pamvarur, pjesen tjeter.
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