"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

Georgios Kastriotis. The story of a Greek medieval hero

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Re: Georgios Kastriotis. The story of a Greek medieval hero

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Post by ALBPelasgian » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:35 pm

Socio wrote:The above novel is a fiction only.

http://www.ibiblio.org/disraeli/
Not only is a novel, but Disrael never doubted Albanian nationality though he used term 'Greek" interchangeable with Albanian.
When Disraeli made the Albanian hero Skanderberg a Greek in his novel The Rise of Iskander (1831), he was not attempting to rewrite history nor erase Albanian identity. He just did not view Greek and Albanian as mutually elusive terms.

http://books.google.com/books?id=M3L_ic ... ty&f=false
Judging on historical events occurred within "GREECE PROPER" the population of its castles was pulled into Minor Asia or was reduced demographically. At the same time, the waves of expelled Illyrians from Dalmatia and Pannonia causes a lot of settlings in vacuum territories of Greece. I think in Roman times Illyrians obviously predominated numerically in Greece. that's why Romans applied often the term ILLYRICUM to ascribe 'Greece'. Later on, dardanian prominent emperor, JUSTIN settled a considerable number of Illyrians in GREECE, because due them he powered his rule (Furthermore, he trust in ILLYRIANS because he himself was ILLYRIAN by origin). I guess that in some cases when it was used term 'HELEN' or 'Greek' means simply ILLYRIAN (for the reasons i expanded). Here I'd like to present a couple of citations which confirms Arvanites and Hellenes (of the castles) as the same people.
In the letter of Jacomo Barbarrigo towards the Germans in 1479 where he mentions:

"The Arvanites and the Hellines are nothing more than the same people that hate every foreigner"
Here I found a citation of an another author but probably in the actual trait is "interpreted" according to the personal desires of any BYZANTINE NET WARRIOR. But the underlined part calls for attention:
Simon Fitzsimons in his ‘Itinerary’ written 1322 during his journey to Jerusalem mentions that the south of the region now known as Albania was populated by a mixture of non-Albanian people (among them the Hellines that wore distinctive white hats) and that the region had only then received an Albanian influx by invading Albanians fleeing from Slavic domination in the region of Rascia ..

Definitely, those white hats are in favor of what I said before that Hellenes of post-Roman times were entirely 'illyrianized'. that's why Albanians of Middle Age (13, 14 century) migrated massively toward their kins.

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Re: Georgios Kastriotis. The story of a Greek medieval hero

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Post by Zeus10 » Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:45 am

The people who carried with themselves the memory of George Kastrioti in Italy, are those ones who call him :
EROE NAZIONALE ALBANEZE

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which means:
Albanian National Hero
for the very simple fact that he was Albanian and memorized as their leader. At that time the nation of the Greeks wasn't even in egzistence.
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