"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
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Post by Hellassoldier » Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:33 pm

The song is ENA ΠOYΛI ΘAΛAΣΣINO - Ena pouli thalassino (A bird from the sea) from Guardians of Hellenism VOL 8 EPIRUS.

Markos Botsaris (Μάρκος Μπότσαρης) was the son of Kitsos Botsaris (Κίτσος Μπότσαρις), the leader of the Souliotes (Σουλιώτες). Kitsos was executed by Ali Pasha, who also tried to exterminate all the souliotes who refused to surrender to his tyranny.

Markos Botsaris was an Arvanite, and a Hero of the Greek independence war. He died at the siege of Messolonghi (Μεσολόγγι). His brother Kostas was also a great warrior. Markos left a great legacy behind him, both in his descendants who rose to prominent positions in the Greek government, and to all those who found him inspiration, Greek and foreigner. many of the paintings are from Jean Leon Gerome, famous orientalist.


You stole from the Greeks polyphonic songs.




Markos Botsaris , c.1788-1823, Greek patriot. Exiled from his native Epirus in 1803, he joined Ali Pasha in 1820 and later was prominent in the Greek War of Independence, notably in the defense of Mesolóngion (1822-23) and at Karpenísion, where he defeated the Turks with a handful of men but died in battle.

In 1814 he joined the Greek patriotic society known as the Filiki Eteria, and in 1820, with other Suliots, made common cause with Ali of Ioannina against the Ottomans. On the outbreak of the Greek revolt, he distinguished himself by his courage, tenacity and skill as a partisan leader in the fighting in western Hellas, and was conspicuous in the defence of Missolonghi during the first siege (1822-1823). On the night of the 2lst of August 1823 he led the celebrated attack at Karpenisi of 350 Suliots on 4000 Albanians who formed the vanguard of the army with which Mustai Pasha was advancing to reinforce the besiegers. The rout of the Turks was complete; but Botsaris himself fell.

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Post by Arta » Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:59 pm

First about us stealing your polyphonic songs and music:

This is far from the truth, as the 'Albanians and Arvanites' are the same blood, same traditions, customs, dresses, rituals, language, etc. So get this straight before we go any further, 'Albanian are Arvanites and Arvanites are Albanians', except the brainwashing of the religious views.

Now let's read some history about Marko Bocari from the time of Ali Pasha to the time, when his family was raided by the Greek government to cover many things from history.
MARKO BOCARI

MARKO BOCARI: the hero of patriotic and cultural concerns
(MARKO BOCARI 1790-1823)
editor of the first bilingual dictionary Albanian-Greek

rise brave Marko
rise, the Greece is calling thee
for Marko the Albanian to come


The most famous of the Suliots Marko Bocari was born in the village of Suli of Janina in 1790, member of a famous family of brave men like Kico Bocari, Kosta Dhimitri, Jorgji and also the great commander of the Revolution of 1821, Noti Bocari. Marko bocari is remembered for his heroism, his beauty but also for a literal work, the famous bilingual dictionary Albanian-Greek. Marko's father, Kico Gj. Bocari was married 3 times and had 18 children. Five of them died in their childhood. From his first marriage with Krisulla Papazoti he had Jani, Lena, Maria, Anastas and Marko. Kico Gj. Bocari was murdered in Arte in 1813 from Gjoko Baloka. During the time of the rebellion in 1821 Marko met with Gjoke Baloka and forgave for the common interest of the revolution him not seeking vengeance for his father's murder. According to Historical records the first inhabitants of Suli (Marko's birthplace) were soldiers of Scanderbeg. After Gjergj Kastrioti Skenderbeu's death about 200 albanian (arvanitas) warriors and their families, like the clan of Bocari, Xhevalasit etc formed the region of Suli and fought against ottoman turks for their language and religion. the region of Suli grew up after the first settlement and was populated by orthodox albanians (cam) that moved from their villages in Cameria to Suli of Janina in the 1500s to escape from ottoman captivity and who founded new villages with Albanian names. The fact that the Suliots are Cam's is confirmed by the Englishman V.M. Lik who states the origins of suljot are from Cameria, one of four branches of Albanian population. while the scholar Cipollini writes "the suliots didn't know Greek at all. The language they used was Albanian, the dialect of Cameria".
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnhntwRx ... re=related
HellasPrideGR wrote: A song that shows to everyone the greek-arvanit pride. A message to the lies of Albanians ...Arvanites are Greeks!! An if you ask any man who is ''Arvanitis'' he will tell you the truth!! ΖΗΤΩ Η ΕΛ...
A song that shows to everyone the greek-arvanit pride.
A message to the lies of Albanians ...Arvanites are Greeks!!
An if you ask any man who is ''Arvanitis'' he will tell you the truth!! ΖΗΤΩ Η ΕΛΛΑΣ !!! Ζητω Η Αρβανιτια!! Ζητω το 1821!!


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Po te dinja te kendonja o sa te bukura do zgjonja .....

Ζητω Η Αρβανιτια!
Ηa Ηa -lol- -lol- -bravo-

Ηellenic of course -hahaha-
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Hellassoldier wrote:The song is ENA ΠOYΛI ΘAΛAΣΣINO - Ena pouli thalassino (A bird from the sea) from Guardians of Hellenism VOL 8 EPIRUS.

Markos Botsaris (Μάρκος Μπότσαρης) was the son of Kitsos Botsaris (Κίτσος Μπότσαρις), the leader of the Souliotes (Σουλιώτες). Kitsos was executed by Ali Pasha, who also tried to exterminate all the souliotes who refused to surrender to his tyranny.

Markos Botsaris was an Arvanite, and a Hero of the Greek independence war. He died at the siege of Messolonghi (Μεσολόγγι). His brother Kostas was also a great warrior. Markos left a great legacy behind him, both in his descendants who rose to prominent positions in the Greek government, and to all those who found him inspiration, Greek and foreigner. many of the paintings are from Jean Leon Gerome, famous orientalist.


You stole from the Greeks polyphonic songs.




Markos Botsaris , c.1788-1823, Greek patriot. Exiled from his native Epirus in 1803, he joined Ali Pasha in 1820 and later was prominent in the Greek War of Independence, notably in the defense of Mesolóngion (1822-23) and at Karpenísion, where he defeated the Turks with a handful of men but died in battle.

In 1814 he joined the Greek patriotic society known as the Filiki Eteria, and in 1820, with other Suliots, made common cause with Ali of Ioannina against the Ottomans. On the outbreak of the Greek revolt, he distinguished himself by his courage, tenacity and skill as a partisan leader in the fighting in western Hellas, and was conspicuous in the defence of Missolonghi during the first siege (1822-1823). On the night of the 2lst of August 1823 he led the celebrated attack at Karpenisi of 350 Suliots on 4000 Albanians who formed the vanguard of the army with which Mustai Pasha was advancing to reinforce the besiegers. The rout of the Turks was complete; but Botsaris himself fell.




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Post by alfeko sukaraku » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:05 pm

Hymniarber wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnhntwRx ... re=related
HellasPrideGR wrote: A song that shows to everyone the greek-arvanit pride. A message to the lies of Albanians ...Arvanites are Greeks!! An if you ask any man who is ''Arvanitis'' he will tell you the truth!! ΖΗΤΩ Η ΕΛ...
A song that shows to everyone the greek-arvanit pride.
A message to the lies of Albanians ...Arvanites are Greeks!!
An if you ask any man who is ''Arvanitis'' he will tell you the truth!! ΖΗΤΩ Η ΕΛΛΑΣ !!! Ζητω Η Αρβανιτια!! Ζητω το 1821!!


ore po te dija moj Dhimitrula mu
po te dija te kendoja
sa te bukura do zgjonja
ore sa Mari moj Konstandina
sa Marie e sa Sofie
ore sa Marie e sa Gjorgjie
Katerina,Thanasie...................

Arvanitet ishin shqipfoles edhe mbeten te tille ...problemi qendron tek percarja kombit fale mos pasjes se nje strategjie pper bashkimin e tij ....
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Hymniarber wrote:
Po te dinja te kendonja o sa te bukura do zgjonja .....

Ζητω Η Αρβανιτια!
Ηa Ηa -lol- -lol- -bravo-

Ηellenic of course -hahaha-

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Post by Zeus10 » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:24 am

And this is another ""Hellenic"" song, 600 years old, sung by the ""Greeks"" in pain for leaving their ancient country MOREA(Peloponnesus), invaded by asian-turkish hordes.

O E BUKURA MORE(in Greek of course -lol- )




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The nostalgic song “Oh, my beautiful Morea,” included in the last eight lines of this folk ballad, is perhaps the best known Arbëresh (Italo-Albanian) folksong of all. The ballad reflects a central element in the collective memory of the Albanian minority of southern Italy – that of their early flight from the Morea (i.e. the Peloponnese in Greece), which had been conquered by the Ottoman Turks, to the safety of Sicily and Calabria. Other Albanians fled from Albania, too, when it was conquered by the Turks in the fifteenth century.
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Let's continue more from the life of Marko Bocari...


The language they used was Albanian, the dialect of Cameria. Part of the suljot population, after Ali Pashe Tepelena captured the region, were deported to Corfuz and the other Ionian islands. After Ali Pashe Tepelena was executed most of the Suliote population fled to the sacred mountain of Tomorr to escape from turkish executions and genocide. There they founded the villages of Shen Mari, Shen Mitri, Dardhzeze, Sulki, Dushke, Kushov, Jane, Tunje etc, in the region of Sulova, near modern town of Gramsh. The suliot Marko Bocari wasn't only the most important hero of the greek revolution, celebrated for his courage and military skills, he was also a man interested in education and reading. Marko, along with Odise Andruco and Gjeorgjio Karaiskaqi were educated in the court of Ali Pashe Tepelena where they studied the political and military sciences. Marko helped Ali pashe Tepelena fight against the turks ottomans during the siege of “Janina” and after the fall of the pasha continued to fight against turks in the Rumelia (balcanic part of the turkish empire) with the center of his rebellion at “Mesollogjia”. Marko's dream was to educate the suliotses to cast them out of their warrior's life without a future and to make them live in a free and just society.In the mean while Marko was concerned that education could make people lose some known characteristics that made the suliot arvanitas a particular popular figure that even not educated, poor and in bad life conditions, was still adorable. Marko wrote once to his son, Dhimiter, who lived at the time in Ancona, Italy: I want you to study, but I want you also to have in your character the suliot heritage and to remain suliot forever, like your father did. at the epoch of the great changes in the Balcan peninsula it was clear to Albanians that their virtue, their desire for freedom and the might of their swords weren't sufficient to have a better life, a better society. People's education was needed, this need was the main concern of the arvanitas who survived the 1821 Revolution. they in fact used to sell all their properties so their children could study. And by studying in that epoch was intended the studying of the modern greel language that was used at the time in many greek cities. But in fact the arvanitas rejected the life of foreign societies, their lies, their submission, their unfairness, their gossip etc. The arvanitas character made them desire always to be the first, to show the world their pride, courage and refusal to submission. And the arvanitas longed the education, but not the alienation of their culture and the lose of their individual and social traditional virtues. This was Marko Bocari's concern and this concern he used to stress when he advice his son. While Marko was imprisoned in the island of Korfuz in 1909 he learned Greek and wrote the famous “bilingual dictionary of people's Greek and simple Arvanitas (Albanian) language. Marko wrote it himself with the help of his father, Kico Bocari, his uncle Noti Bocari and his father in law Kristaq Kallogjeri from Preveza. This dictionary was the idea of the French consul Pukevili, like the French diplomatic claimed, and it was supposed to help Albanian suliots learn Greek and communicate with greeks. No matter what the french diplomatic claimed or other versions of this matter, Marko Bocari is a hero who was concerned about education and culture, who wrote an important literal work and he can be celebrated as the first writer of the simple dictionary greek-Albanian. The Dictionary of Marko Bocari was a consequence of the situation in Greece, where the Arvanitas had abandoned the weapons and they had the need to fit in the civic society, not an easy goal for them. The dictionary is particularly important because it has many albanian expressions in the Cameria dialect and this dictionary was also used as a mean to bring Albanians and greeks closer. One of the other reasons of the creation of this dictionary is the fact that at the time in vast areas of the Balcans the official trade language was Greek. so the arvanitas were forced to learn greek if they wanted to trade in the Balcans. The Albanian language in fact wasn't at the time known to many non-albanians, because the Albanian population had lived for centuries in remote and inaccessible mountains to escape from invaders' persecution, and they used to lead an extremely isolated life away from any interrelation with other nations. So the Albanian language conserved it's purity and it's antient form, and was spoken exclusively by Albanians, a National Languages indeed, but it didn't evolve and didn't adopt new words that were required by the technological development and changes in the world's society, and besides that it was not known by the many foreign people who visited the Baltans at the time of the Ottoman captivity. And the hero Marko Bocari with great courage and hard work wrote the first greek-Albanian dictionary when he was 19 with the original title "Fjalori dygjuhesh Romaiko_Arberishtja" that was composed of 111 pages, 1496 Albanian words, and 1701 Greek ones. The original book can be found at the National Museum of Paris with the code Grec 251 number of the page 244, and was donated to the museum by the consul Pukevili in 1819. The general French consul in Janine made himself a smaller vocabulary Albanian-French (about 440 words) while he was studying the dictionary of Marko Bocari, and the original can be found at the same museum, the National Museum of Paris. Before the great battle at Mesollogji Marko thought of sending his family in the town of Ancona in Italy. All the suliots were divided from their wives with tears in their eyes and without saying a word. In those touching moments Marko said to his wife: "In freedom I want to be with you, but in battle leave me alone". This was the last time they were together. Marko was commander of the western greek army. When the greek government sent him the general commander's diploma, many jealousies arose among other commanders. But Marko answered to these jealous people with nobility and tolerance, saying: if somebody is skilled, he will receive his diploma tomorrow in the battle. Marko was a lovely and taciturn person.

This Arberishte language
is a language of courage
it was spoken by the Admiral Miaul
Marko and the whole Sul

Marko Bocari fell in the battle of 9 August 1823 fighting against the armies of Mustafa Bushati. This fact became notorious in all Europe for he had sent a letter while he was on his way to Mesollogjia to the famous British writer, Lord Byron. The great poet participated at Marko's funeral and held a speech dressed with the Albanian national clothes. Some time after the funeral the Turkish and the Egyptians endeavored to desecrate Marko's tomb, but the muslim Albanians fought them defended his sepulcher. they took then his body and buried him with honor in a simple funeral.

When Laberia heard
that Marko the eagle was lost
fell all in mourning
and the song was interrupted

In 1832, Mamurasi and Pakaopsta, ordered by the Greek government seized and burned down the house of Noti Gj Bocari and they managed also to destroy all the historical documentation of the Bocari clan lineage. Marko Bocari died but his name is still a legend. The fact that Marko Bocari was Albanian is once more confirmed by his own lineal descendant who bears his own name, the Professor Marko Bocari of the university of Queensland in Australia. He reacted fiercely in 1994 to the declaration of a greek congressman who denied the Albanian contribution in the Revolution of 1821 and Marko Bocari's Albanian origins. This comments are related to a letter written by a greek minister who declared that there are no Albanians in Greece. It seems like the minister has no idea about what's happening in his own homeland, or he has deliberately decided to ignore the facts. It's a fact that in Greece live today more than 1 million orthodox Albanians. My parents have never spoken greek with me. They have exclusively spoken Albanian, because they were proud of their Albanian origins and heritage.

Notice: with the word Arvanitas we mean the Albanians before the creation of the modern Balcanic countries. The Byzantine chroniclers call modern Albanians Arvanitas, the Latin chroniclers call them Albania and the Turkish and Arabic chroniclers call them Arnaut. So Arvanit Alban and Arnaut are different names for the same nation, Albania. In the modern greek dictionary the word Arvanit is said to be of albanian origins.

The library of the Arvanitas Organization of Greece and the book of the greek scholar Titos Johalas the bilingual dictionary of Marko Bocari were consulted for the writing of this article
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Arta wrote: In 1832, Mamurasi and Pakaopsta, ordered by the Greek government seized and burned down the house of Noti Gj Bocari and they managed also to destroy all the historical documentation of the Bocari clan lineage. Marko Bocari died but his name is still a legend. The fact that Marko Bocari was Albanian is once more confirmed by his own lineal descendant who bears his own name, the Professor Marko Bocari of the university of Queensland in Australia. He reacted fiercely in 1994 to the declaration of a greek congressman who denied the Albanian contribution in the Revolution of 1821 and Marko Bocari's Albanian origins. This comments are related to a letter written by a greek minister who declared that there are no Albanians in Greece. It seems like the minister has no idea about what's happening in his own homeland, or he has deliberately decided to ignore the facts. It's a fact that in Greece live today more than 1 million orthodox Albanians. My parents have never spoken greek with me. They have exclusively spoken Albanian, because they were proud of their Albanian origins and heritage.
Interesting info after I posted this on Alb.com, Pauly was telling me this, cause I asked him since Pauly lives in Australia!
Ralph.T.Pika

Ive been to his house, when i was younger like 11yo, he was a good friend of my dads, he passed away a while ago, he had one son which i haven't seen in years and a wife i remember wasnt albanian i think she was greek, i say this as i remember him saying she understands Albanian but doesn't speak it. What do you want to know about him?

He lived in Brisbane where there weren't too many Albanians he was closest but not overly overly active, I guess due to his age, I've mentioned him before on here back in 2006. When I met him it was early nineties we went on a holiday to Queensland and spent a couple of nights at his house.

He did have an affinity with albanians i guess thats how my dad got to know him. But by the time i met him he had suffered a stroke and wasn't all that well. He would have been more active in his younger years, but there wasn't a big Alb pop then and especially not in Queensland.
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"As the news became more detailed there was a search for heroes. The Mainotes were of course the Modern Spartans, but Marco Botsaris, the Albanian Suliote leader, was usually taken as the Modern Leonidas. When stories appeared of the woman of Hydra, Boubolina, leading the Greeks in the battle, she was dubbed the Modern Artemisa or the Greek Joan of Arc. It seemed impossible to represent any event in the Modern Greece as an even in its own right without overwhelming it with misleading allusions."

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