"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

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There are dozens of small towns like this scattered on the hillsides of Southern Italy, but Greci stands out because it's one of 51 towns in Italy settled by Albanians between the 15th and 18th centuries. The communities call themselves "Arbereshe,'' and the people in these towns speak Albanian as well as Italian.


"Katund'' is the Albanian word for village. The Pucci and Panella families and most others here are ancestors of Albanian soldiers who settled in Greci sometime in the mid-1400s. The King of Naples invited them to relocate after the Albanian military leader, Skanderbeg, answered a call to help the Italians defeat French-supported insurrections. Greci was originally settled by Greeks, then abandoned. The Albanian soldiers, seeking to escaping the Ottoman invasion of Albania, favored Greci because it was the highest town in the area and presumed safe. The Puccis were one of 13 original families from Albania to settle in Greci
Ja ku e ke te shkruar, qe Greci ka te beje me faktin qe sipas tyre, fshati eshte banuar dikur nga greket dhe pastaj eshte braktisur.

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Zeus10 wrote:Ashtu si ne Greqi dhe ne Itali, arbereshet nuk jane emigrante te shkuar relativisht vone(shek14-15), ata jane mbishtresime mbi popullsi te te njejtes etni qe jetonte atje per mijevjecare.

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Trojan wrote:
Zeus10 wrote:Ashtu si ne Greqi dhe ne Itali, arbereshet nuk jane emigrante te shkuar relativisht vone(shek14-15), ata jane mbishtresime mbi popullsi te te njejtes etni qe jetonte atje per mijevjecare.

Po ku e bazon ti kete qe shkruan me larte?
Ti vete cfare mendimi ke, sepse me duket se je futur ne guasken komode te skuthit, qe qemton mendimin e tjetrit per te gjetur ndonje gabim, duke lexuar mes rreshtave, pa guxuar te shprehesh vete ndonje mendim.
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Zeus10 wrote:
Trojan wrote:
Zeus10 wrote:Ashtu si ne Greqi dhe ne Itali, arbereshet nuk jane emigrante te shkuar relativisht vone(shek14-15), ata jane mbishtresime mbi popullsi te te njejtes etni qe jetonte atje per mijevjecare.

Po ku e bazon ti kete qe shkruan me larte?
Ti vete cfare mendimi ke, sepse me duket se je futur ne guasken komode te skuthit, qe qemton mendimin e tjetrit per te gjetur ndonje gabim, duke lexuar mes rreshtave, pa guxuar te shprehesh vete ndonje mendim.


Ata jane emigrant ... sepse tokat ku vajten ishin to populluara me popullsi jo shqiptare.
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Trojan wrote: Ata jane emigrant ... sepse tokat ku vajten ishin to populluara me popullsi jo shqiptare.
Te populluara me popullsi jo-shqiptare te ciles etni? Pse nuk kemi lexuar dhe degjuar per ta?
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Zeus, cfare mendimi keni mbi Henry Noel Brailsford ?

Biografia e tij thote se: kishte qene edhe luftetar ne revolucionin Grek dhe pershkak te njohjes se mire te popujve te Balkanit ishte konsideruar edhe ekspert per Balkanin (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/Jbrailsford.htm ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._N._Brailsford)
It is not in Macedonia that the Greeks are seen to the best advantage. There they have degenerated into a race of townsmen, who form an ignoble aristocracy of talent, half clerical, half commercial, which exploits an alien peasantry that it despises. The true Greek is to be sought in the Highlands and the Isles. I could wish that my acquaintance with the Greeks had ended in Crete. There one still may meet a Greek people, primitive, lovable, wedded to the soil, whose courtesy, hospitality, and native dignity centuries of oppression have not perverted. Living in daily commerce with the mountains and the sea-breezes, waging a warfare that knew no compromise with their secular enemy the Turk, they know nothing of those elaborate disloyalties, those perverting feuds which have corroded the honour and the humanity of their Continental brethren.
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Socio wrote: Pra, shqiptaret vijne nga Greket te pare, te pa-korruptuar ...
Ndaj shqiptareve su ngelet vec te ndrrojne emrin. Le te quhen ata "grek te paster" dhe ne "grek te papaster". S`na prish pune. Per vogelsira do zihemi?
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Zeus10 wrote: Gjenerata te reja emigrantesh, nga po e njejta race, shqiptaret, u jane mbivendosur natyrshem vellezerve te tyre misterioze helene, bile duke ruajtur dhe emrin, si nje deshmi qe ata jane po ata, por tashme duke bartur emrin e tyre te sterlashte gjithperfshires, arbëreshë.
Po sa i lashte eshte emri "arberesh"? Nja 700-vjecar? Per te tille lashtesi na flet?
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elikranon wrote:
Socio wrote: Pra, shqiptaret vijne nga Greket te pare, te pa-korruptuar ...
Ndaj shqiptareve su ngelet vec te ndrrojne emrin. Le te quhen ata "grek te paster" dhe ne "grek te papaster". S`na prish pune. Per vogelsira do zihemi?
A ... per emer tu beka vone ty ?!!! (Kete emer kemi qe moti, ILIR/ILIN)

Nejse, nejse DAKORT atehere - ne nderrojme emrin, dhe ju nderroni gjuhen (te ktheheni tek gjuha e te pareve) dhe natyrisht atehere edhe fanaticizmi fetar do tu vdese ngadale.

A ka menyre me te bukur per tu pastruar se kjo ?

Jo vetem qe ktheni gjuhen meme por edhe pastroheni spiritualisht :D
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