"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
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Vilajeti i Manastirit - Shqiptarësia e tij

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Të dashur forumistë,

Më duket se deri më tani përqëndrimi ynë kryesor ka qenë Epiri - në jug, pjesërisht Maqedonia (historia e saj e lashtë), Dardania dhe viset veriake gjër në Bosnjë. Më duket sikur e kemi lënë mënjanë ca Manastirin dhe vilajetin e tij shqiptar përreth. Pikërisht, për vilajetin e Manastirit është ndezur një lojë e keqe pretendimesh midis 'grekëve' dhe bullgarëve ku secili pretendon shumicën.

Ndaj, kjo temë është përcaktuar kryekëput për grumbullimin e materialeve rreth viseve të Vilajetit të Manastirit - ku përfshihen vetë qyteti me rrethinë i Manastirit, Krusheva, Prilepi - pra Pelagonia. Poashtu t'i kushtohet një rëndësi e duhur edhe skajit më juglindor të Manastirit - Fllorinës dhe Kosturit.

Do të doja këtu edhe ndihmën e Picasso-s pasi që është i vetmi forumist yni pikërisht nga qyteti i Alfebetit.

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Monastir also contains a large colony of Spanish Jews, and a considerable number of Albanians and Turks.
The Nomads of the Balkans - pg. 218
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Kjo është një kopje te nje ekzamplari te nje gazete te huaj mbi Maqedonine dhe popullsine e saj..
(E kisha postuar te tema tjeter )
Ne fotografine ilustruese duken qarte dy njerez me veshje unike shqiptare te cilet cilesohen si 'tipa maqedonas'. Kjo eshte nje prove me shume qe deshmon se maqedonasit e vertete nuk jane kurrsesi sllavobullgaret e as helenet qe erdhen ne Maqedoni, por shqiptaret jane maqedonasit e vertete qe nga antikiteti e mesjeta gjer ne shekullin e kaluar.

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Shqiptarët duke u shpërngul nga Manastiri që sot quhet ''BITOLA''
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Besoj se Picasso ka më shumë materijal nga Manastiri pasi që jeton atje .
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Kështu ishte Vilajeti Manastirit deri më 1912 .
(Velesi ishte brenda në kufijtë e vilajetit të Kosovës , në hartë është një gabim i vogël )

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Kete material eshte mire ta kete Picasso, sepse flet per numrin e shqiptareve ne Manastir, zvogelimin e tyre, diskriminimin e tyre dhe shumecka tjeter.
WHAT HAPPENED IN BITOLA? (RFE/RL)
WHAT HAPPENED IN BITOLA? (RFE/RL) Posted June 6, 2001
http://www.rferl.org/balkan-report/

5 June 2001, Volume 5, Number 39

WHAT HAPPENED IN BITOLA?

It has been almost a month since Macedonian rioters smashed and set fire to a string of Albanian-owned pastry shops and cafes in Bitola (see "RFE/RL Newsline," 1 May 2001). The incident followed the funerals of four local policemen, killed along with four soldiers in an ambush by Albanian insurgents a few days earlier in the Sar mountains in northwestern Macedonia.

Since then, broken shards of plate glass outside the shops have been carted off. Graffiti -- crosses and the words, in Macedonian, "Death to the Albanians" -- have been scrawled on some shop facades. The blackened interiors remain a scene of devastation, with rotting cream cakes and baklava lying amid smashed mirrors and display cases.

During the traditional Sunday afternoon promenade, Albanians are nowhere to be seen. Many have left to stay with friends or relatives elsewhere in Macedonia or abroad.

Bitola, known to Albanians as Monastir, had a flourishing Albanian population until the mid-20th century. The town is revered by Albanians as the place where in 1908 and 1909 they adopted a standardized alphabet for the Albanian language using Latin letters, ending the practice by some of using the Greek alphabet and by others of using Arabic script to write in Albanian.

However, Bitola's Albanians have been a dwindling minority for the last half-century. Some 30,000 emigrated from the city and its surroundings to Turkey as part of a Tito-era Yugoslav policy to reduce the Albanian population in Serbia, Kosova, and Macedonia by offering Albanians the opportunity to leave.

According to the 1994 census, which many Albanians boycotted, Albanians make up only 2,000 of Bitola's population of 86,000, or just over 2 percent. An additional 2,600 live in surrounding villages. But the main ethnic Albanian political party, the Democratic Party of the Albanians, or PDSH, estimates the Albanian population is nearly double the census figure.

Ljubco Taskovski is a 35-year-old ethnic Macedonian and a reservist in the Macedonian army. He has a job at the local dairy plant and owns a trailer from which he sells fresh doughnuts on the corso. He says it was the brothers, sisters, and friends of the four murdered policemen who were the "organizers" of the rampage in the early hours of 1 May. They were joined, he adds, by others they met in the street: "It went on for about two hours, from shop to shop. We know whose shops these were. The people doing this were purely on a raid. They weren't carrying anything more than stones to break glass. They turned things upside down, but [did] nothing else."

Taskovski says some 50 people -- from Bitola and from the villages of the dead policemen -- participated in the violence: "They rose up in response to the deaths of innocent soldiers, and as a warning to the Albanians who are in Bitola -- not that we are going to kill people, but that we are going to draw the line. We can kill, but before [we do] that we will warn them. [If] we break glass and smash [their] workshops, [Albanians] will stop killing soldiers and policemen."

Taskovski's remarks echo an unsubstantiated report, broadcast at the time by a private TV station, which alleged that Albanians in Bitola and nearby villages celebrated the deaths of the four local policemen by firing off their guns in celebration. Several people interviewed said the TV report was one of the factors that incited Macedonians to riot.

Taskovski accuses some of Bitola's Albanians of being "terrorists" and of battling the Macedonian army in the north of the country.

Macedonia's deputy health minister, Muarem Nexhipi, is politically the senior member of Bitola's Albanian community. A Zagreb-educated medical doctor, he is a leader of PDSH and a possible successor to the ailing party chief Arben Xhaferi. Nexhipi was in Bitola during the unrest. He says a total of 42 shops and businesses, as well as about 10 kiosks, were attacked the first night whiled the police watched and did nothing.

Nexhipi says that about an hour after starting to set fire to Albanian businesses in the center of Bitola, the crowd moved to a pastry shop near his house, setting it on fire as well. When the fire department arrived, he says the crowd attacked the firemen, who Nexhipi says turned their hoses on the demonstrators, dispersing the gathering and saving the Nexhipi home from attack. He says that "a large number of police" intervened to protect his house from two subsequent attempts to set it alight.

Macedonian attackers demolished 17 additional Albanian-owned or managed businesses the following evening. Nexhipi says that after authorities declared a curfew the third evening, attackers burned down two Albanian-owned homes. One belonged to a man working in Switzerland, the other was owned by a lawyer who had agreed to take up the cases of people whose businesses had been torched. Fire inspectors subsequently suggested that the fire had been due to an electrical problem.

Bitola's Social Democratic mayor, Zlatko Vrsakovski, appeared on TV after the first two nights of violence had passed and appealed for calm. Almost three weeks passed before he lifted the nighttime curfew on 20 May.

Nexhipi suspects the real reason for the unrest can be found in Bitola's legacy as a key garrison town of the former Yugoslav People's Army, or JNA, due to Bitola's proximity to the Greek border, 16 kilometers to the south. When the army withdrew to Serbia nearly a decade ago, Nexhipi says the majority of ethnic Serbian JNA officers and their families stayed behind in Bitola. He says they now have Macedonian citizenship and have been active in the past in organizing what he terms "anti-Albanian initiatives and demonstrations." Nexhipi estimates that between 30 and 50 Serb former JNA officers currently reside in Bitola:

Nexhipi believes that "there has been something grave going on Bitola for years. Groups of [Serb] people are at work, conducting operations. So because of all of this, we were afraid when we learned about the murders of the four [policemen] from Bitola. We knew from past experience that whenever anything, clashes or whatever, occur involving the Albanian question in Macedonia or Kosova, it will be reflected in Bitola. We knew that there would be broken shop windows, that someone would make a show of power toward a symbolic number of people."

Interior Ministry spokesman Stevo Pendarovski told RFE/RL on 30 May he has not previously heard the allegations that former JNA officers might be involved in the Bitola unrest. But he suggests there may be a connection if the former officers, rather than retiring from the military, joined Macedonia's security forces: "I don't see how they could organize the events if they're retired. If they are active, it will be good for all of us here to know what positions they are in now, and to investigate such rumors. It's [more effective] to be in a position to be active, and to be employed formally in the ministries [of Defense or Interior] or in some of our [secret services], and in that way have an impact on that kind of movement, of the rebellion in Bitola."

Vladimir Milcin is executive director of the Macedonian branch of the Open Society Institute, based in Skopje. In a recent essay, he wrote of his own suspicions regarding the Bitola incident:

"There is something smelly in this dim story, something that stinks much more than the burnt shops in the bazaar in Bitola. Power and money are [at work in] this death game. [Someone] is encouraging enmity to incite voluntary or violent ethnic cleansing."

Milcin says the aim is to divide Macedonia into ethnically pure regions as a prelude to partition. He predicts that what is left of Macedonia will not be able to survive as an independent country.

The Open Society Institute chief adds that the Bitola residents involved in the attacks on Albanian businesses were provoked by the fact that despite an official order for all four caskets containing the remains of the dead policeman to remain sealed, the brother of one of the dead men insisted his coffin be opened. The mourners, he says, were horrified by the sight of a burned body.

Milcin says he is convinced the unrest was organized:

"On the day of the funeral, the state secretary at the Interior Ministry was there, Ljube Boskovski, who has since become [on 13 May] minister of the interior. And he remained [in Bitola] overnight, until the next day. The mayor of Bitola, [Zlatko Vrsakovski], asked police to intervene. The police didn't do anything except protect the house of Mr. Muarem Nexhipi [from the PDSH], the deputy minister of health."

Milcin says the police did nothing to stop the violence during the first two nights of unrest and notes the curfew was only introduced on the third day. He says members of a private Macedonian security agency, Kometa, led the mob in the unrest. He accuses Kometa of having very close relations with the nationalist party of Prime Minister Ljubco Georgievski, known as VMRO-DPMNE. "I don't believe that what happened in Bitola [was] something spontaneous. I think that basically, [the incident was] stimulated and supported by some people close to VMRO, to the government."

Interior Ministry spokesman Pendrovski, when asked whether any evidence has been found confirming suspicions that the unrest was organized, says that until now there have been "only rumors:" "I have heard some rumors, or 'semi-information,' about the so-called Macedonian organizations -- 'Lions' and 'National Front for the Liberation of Macedonia,' or something like that -- that are [allegedly] behind the events [in Bitola]. But so far we have not confirmed anything."

The Lions and the National Front are previously unknown groups which have claimed credit for the attacks. Pendarovski says there are suspicions at senior levels in the Interior Ministry that local police chiefs in Bitola may be close to these secretive groups. But so far, Pendarovski says, investigations of the unrest have not gotten very far -- in part, he says, because the ministry is concentrating its efforts on the fighting around Kumanovo in the north of the country. "Unfortunately, we've had only four charges brought against four people -- criminal charges -- and all of them, according to our law, have been released and can defend themselves [while] being free. And after that it's up to the court in Bitola, the local court in Bitola, to proceed further with criminal investigations."

Milcin of the Open Society Institute says Bitola has been impoverished since 1997, when Albania's TAT pyramid investment scheme went bust, and many residents lost their life savings. Bitola, in Milcin's words, "is a town which is easily pushed into being involved in events like a pogrom." (Jolyon Naegele)

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Bitola's Albanian community, which makes up around 10 per cent of city's 80,000 inhabitants, has been successfully integrated over the years. There are plenty of mixed marriages and friendships.

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Alb, shum mire, bravo, ke bere nje pune shume te mire dhe te madhe, por keta linqet qe i ke postuar si burim nuk egzistojne....
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Picasso` wrote:Alb, shum mire, bravo, ke bere nje pune shume te mire dhe te madhe, por keta linqet qe i ke postuar si burim nuk egzistojne....
Cka eshte problemi?
Cudi perse u invalidua vegeza e siperdhene e artikullit te pare. Sidoqetejete, ndiq vegezen e meposhtme ky eshte i njejti
raport gazetaresk mbi plojen e Manastirit:

http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/rwb.nsf/All ... 5c005c4721

Nderkaq, te dhenat e meposhtme po detyrohem t'i marr hua prej nje faqeje 'greke' (e cila ne zenkat e saja me FYROM-in derdh lot krokodili per shqiptaret):

quote]Rioters Burn Albanian Homes in Bitola
Police Fail to Stop Violence, Some Actively Participate

Human Rights Watch (New York, June 8, 2001): “Police in the Macedonian city of Bitola did not attempt to stop rioting crowds on Wednesday night, and some police officers actively participated in the violence, Human Rights Watch said today. As a result, dozens of ethnic Albanian homes and as many as 100 shops were burned by the mob.”
The available evidence strongly suggests that the Bitola police did not take any actions to stop the anti-Albanian attacks and that a significant number of Bitola police officers, in and out of uniform, took part in the rioting. The police took no apparent action to enforce the 10 p.m. curfew it had announced for the town, and the rioting continued until after 1 a.m., according to official police statements. The rioting crowds claimed to be revenging the deaths of Bitola police officers that were ambushed near Tetovo.”
“A village mosque was also vandalized by the rioters. Grave markers were broken, and several graves had been broken open. The windows of the mosque were broken, and rioters had set the carpets inside the mosque on fire but did not succeed in burning it down. On the exterior wall of the mosque, rioters had painted several swastikas and written “Death to the Shiptars.” The term “Shiptar” is an ethnic slur when used by non-Albanians”
Anti-Albanian sentiment in Bitola is rapidly growing into a campaign by extremists to rid Bitola of its ethnic Albanian population. Witnesses interviewed by Human Rights Watch stated that the rioters had yelled slogans including “Death to Albanians,” “Pure Bitola,” “Albanians Out of Bitola,” “Get Out Albanians,” and other such statements. The rioters told some of the ethnic Albanians that they had a week to get out of town before being targeted again. Many ethnic Albanians have fled their homes in Bitola in the aftermath of Wednesday’s riot because they are afraid of further attacks.”

http://www.hrw.org/press/2001/06/Bitola0608.htm[/quote]
“The anti-Albanian riots in Bitola present a dangerous escalation of the crisis in Macedonia. The local police must fulfill their responsibility to stop the violence, not exacerbate it”

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2001/06/08/macedo192.htm
Në Manastir gjithçka është lënë në harresë
Mbi 180 vakëfe të BFIM-së në Manastir si dhe pronat e Kishës Ungjillore Kongreshane që drejtohej nga familja Qiriazi edhe më tej mbeten peng të shtetit dhe po zhduken dita ditës, pa asnjë lloj përkujdesje
Pronat e komunitetit fetar të shqiptarëve në Manastir vazhdojnë të ngelin nën uzurpimin e shtetit. Dhjetëra prona të Bashkësisë Fetare Islame por edhe ato të Kishës Ungjillore Shqiptare, që vepronte në këtë kryeqendër shqiptare as që janë pjesë e zbardhjes së krimeve të uzurpimit gjatë historisë.
Myftiu i Myftinisë së Manastirit, Pëllumb Veliu thekson për agjencinë e lajmeve INA se rreth 180 parcela dhe sipërfaqe kadastrale janë të uzurpuara, edhe pse pas vitit 1990 janë bërë kërkesat për kthim, por nuk ka pasur asnjë zgjidhje dhe kthim të tyre.
“Deri tani vetëm 7 për qind e lëndëve kanë pasur përgjigje pozitive dhe lëndët tjera akoma kanë ngelur si pjesë e obstruksioneve gjyqësore dhe shtetërore, me qëllim që të mos na kthehen pronat tona”, ka theksuar myftiu Pëllumb Veliu, duke shtuar se kërkesat do t`i dorëzohen edhe gjykatave ndërkombëtare.
Bashkësia Ungjillore shqiptare gjithashtu posedon pronësi të shumta, me ç`rast vetëm në qendrën e qytetit konsiderohen rreth 20 mijë metra katrorë, por gjithë ajo është nacionalizuar dhe nuk ka asnjë kërkesë për kthim.
Në këtë pjesë të qytetit ka pasur edhe kolegj për femra, me ç`rast sot e kësaj dite është e pranishme dera e vjetër e hyrjes si dëshmi për ekzistimin e saj. Edhe Varrezat ungjillore janë shkatërruar, pasi që në hapësirën esaj të konsiderueshme është ndërtuar Kopshti Zoologjik, ndërsa në pjesën tjetër janë bërë gërmime arkeologjike, që kanë dëmtuar këtë zonë.
Lidhur me këto shkatërrime dhe uzurpime deri tani nuk ka reaguar as Kisha Ungjillore në Shkup, por edhe Vëllazëria Ungjillore Shqiptare (VUSH) me seli në Tiranë, edhe pse ato kishin paralajmëruar një gjë të tillë. Kisha Ungjillore ka pasur rol dominues kombëtar në disa periudha historike dhe ajo udhëhiqej nga Gjerasim Qiriazi, Kristo Dako, Petro Nini Luarasi dhe shumë të tjerë.
Por ajo goditet rëndë në vitin 1922 nga pushtuesit serb, të cilët dëbojnë misionarët shqiptarë dhe uzurpojnë të gjitha pronat, ndërsa kjo kishë futet nën kontrollin e Kishës Ungjillore Metodiste me seli në Beograd.
Në këtë periudhë digjet edhe shtypshkronja e familjes Qiriazi. Sot varri i patriotit Gjergj Qiriazi është transferuar në oborrin e një kishe ortodokse në varrezat e fshatit Magarovë të Manastirit.

http://breziiri.com/2010/04/30/po-zhduk ... -manastir/
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P.S: Picasso do t'ishte e udhes qe keto fakte-dokumente t'i draftoje ne arkivin tend personal, ne email apo PC, qe te mos humbasin dhe t'i perdorim si prove te etnocidit qe eshte ndjeke e po ndjeket ndaj shqiptareve te Manastirit.
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Viti 1903 - Shqiptaret shumice ne Vilajetin e Manastirit



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'The Sydney Morning Herald, Saturday 14 February 1903, page 11'
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Edhe pse tema eshte per Manastirin, posaqerisht, do te doja te hedhja nje citat te Edith Durham-it mbi shqiptaresine e qytetit te Ohrit:
Ochrida is, therefore, clearly Servian. But if it comes to a prior claim, the Illyrians were there before anyone. Therefore Ochrida belongs to their descendants, the Albanians. Moreover, it was held and fortified by the great Ali Pasha. ...

^The burden of the Balkans,Mary Edith Durham - 1905
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