"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

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Këtu mund të flisni mbi historinë tonë duke sjellë fakte historike për ndriçimin e asaj pjese të historisë mbi të cilen ka rënë harresa e kohës dhe e njerëzve.

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Propaganda greke e gjendur para nje shumesie faktesh te pakundershtueshme per
pranine e kudondodhur dhe te gjithgjendshme ne Epir, kane shpikur nje arsyetim
sa falso aq edhe banal se shqiptaret ose Iliret ne Epir jane vendosur atje,
pas shkrumbimit dhe rrafshimit te 70 qyteteve epirote dhe debimit te 150.000 vendasve
nga romaku i eger Paul Emili. Se shqiptaret jane vendosur te cytur nga romaket,
kjo nuk ka kurrfare logjike, ose te pakten s'eshte dokumentuar historikisht ne asnje vend.
Keta 150.000 te debuar nuk ishin gje tjeter pevec banore autoktone ilire, dmth shqiptare.

Nderkaq, "Greket" harrojne se pikerisht "ata" jane te ardhur ne Epir,
me ndihmen e Perandorise Bizantine nga Azia e Vogel:
THE INFLUX of Greek REFUGEES After 1204

Before the 4th Crusade, Epirus was an obscure and forgotten region in the Byzantine
world. But the fall of Constantinople to the Franks on 13 April 1204 and the subse-
quent creation of the state of Epirus by Michael I Komnenos Angelos Doukas (1205-
ca.1215) made it a destination for a lot of Greeks who wished to escape Latin rule, to
join the struggle against it, or who more simply wished to find conditions of stability.
So our sources mention this influx of refugees, coming from Constantinople. Demetri-
os Chomatenos, archbishop of Ohrid, says that half at least of the refugees from Con-
stantinople found asylum in Epirus.
The most famous is the former Byzantine Emperor
Alexis III. But we can also find a Theodore Makrembolites, who fled Constantinople
for Corfu, a Theodore Demnites who escaped Anatolia for the region of Achelôos in
Epirus, and a monk who left Hosios Loukas near Thebes and came to Naupaktos close
to Metropolitan John Apokaukos47. Theodoros Chamaretos, a Greek lord in the Pelo-
ponnese, fled to Epirus, and wrote to the father of his wife that she could come and join
him, since Epirus “was full of countless refugees from the Peloponnese, many of them
persons of rank and wealth, and the lady would certainly find herself among friends and
compatriots”48. This influx of Greek refugees continued throughout the century: even
after 1261 and the restoration of Constantinople by the Emperor of Nicaea, Michael
VIII Palaeologos, Epirus and Thessaly welcomed political or religious refugees fleeing
from the Byzantine court, for example in the 1270s the opponents of the ecclesiastical
policy of Emperor Michael.The most noble of the refugees, coming from Constantinople or from other places,
seem to have found a place in Ioannina, where the castle49 was created specially for
them by Michael I50. This city, quoted by John Apokaukos as a p???d???, that is a “small
city”, became a new Noah’s Ark for the refugees. Their installation there seems to have
caused some problems, since in 1232, after the capture of Michael’s brother and succes-
sor, Theodore (1215-1230), by the Bulgarians, the local inhabitants tried to expel them
from the site that had been allowed to them by Michel I, and guaranteed by Theodore51.
They finally failed in this purpose, and the colonization of Ioannina finally constituted
a real success: even if the official capital of the state of Epirus remained in Arta, Ioan-
nina quickly became the equivalent of Arta in terms of population, economical impact
and political influence.The Greek population of Ioannina nevertheless was and remained different from the
rest of the Greeks of Epirus, and notably from Arta. A large part of them originating
from Constantinople, the refugees were disdainful of Epirus. During the 13th century,
therefore, the inhabitants of the city, or at least its elite, supported the traditional Byzan-
tine imperial ideology, incarnated by the Komnenos Angelos Doukas dynasty, which in
the times of its ascendancy came close to recapturing Constantinople from the Latins,
and restoring the Empire. Ioannina and Arta therefore followed the same policy from
the birth of the state of Epirus: they both took up the struggle against the Latin invad-
ers. But afer the rapid expansion of Teodore, who quickly subdued Tessaly, Macedo-
nia and western Trace, and was crowned emperor in Tessaloniki, his new capital, in
1227, the defeat of Klokotnica in 1230 by the Bulgarians ruined his hopes of restoring
the Empire. In Arta, which did not care for Teodore’s imperial dreams, Michael II, son
of Michael I, took power and Epirus, including Ioannina, became independent from
the empire of Tessaloniki, which disappeared in 1246, falling to the Nicene army. In
1259, afer the battle of Pelagonia, the armies of Nicea invaded Epirus, but they faced
the staunch resistance of the population, as well as of Arta and Ioannina.
In the 14th century, nevertheless, Ioannina and Arta no longer united for the sake of
the state of Epirus, which was now seen by Ioannina as an obstacle to the unity of the
Empire, which had been restored by the Nicenes in 1261 when they recaptured Con-
stantinople. In 1318, Tomas Komnenos Doukas (ca. 1297-1318) was assassinated by
his nephew Nicholas Orsini, who took power in Arta. Ioannina refused to accept this
coup and negotiated its reunion with the Empire. In the 1320s, Emperor Andronikos II
gave Ioannina to John Orsini, brother and successor of Nicholas, who held it as an im-
perial governor. Later, in 1337, afer the death of John, Andronikos III invaded Epirus
and annexed it to the Empire. Te next year, a revolt occurred in Arta, which submit-
ted only in 1340, and rebelled again in 1342, while Ioannina in this period remained
faithful to Byzantium.Te death of Andronikos III in 1341 precipitated the Byzantine civil war (1341-1354),
provoking the Serbian invasion led by Stefan Dušan, and the subsequent collapse of
Imperial domination in the Balkan peninsula. So the relationship with the Empire be-
came a secondary matter; but as we shall see, the cities of Ioannina and Arta continued
to respond diferently in regard to the new problem faced by Epirus, that of Serbian
expansion and Albanian immigration.
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Paul Emili..gjakatari qe i dha grushtin e fundit te gjithe trashgimnis sone kulturore ,ishte ai i cili rrembeu vodhi e grabiti edhe u largua nga Orikumi per ne itali.Ne ato kohe nuk kishte greke..nuk ekzistonin greket ne epire..megjithse greket kurre nuk kane ekzistuar si kombe,por si gjuhe letrare e shkollimit
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L'Albania inferiore, rachiude i limiti di quello stato che una volta era conosciuto sotto il nome di Epiro. (Vero è che ancor oggi porta questo nome; e quei che l'abitano sono indifferentemente chiamati talor Albanesi, talor Epiroti....)
The lower Albania wos once known under the name of Epirus. (It is true that still bears this name, and those who inhabit it are sometimes interchangeably called Albanians, sometimes Epirotas...)
Questa regione vine impedita dalla Tessaglia d'allargarsi per tanto spazio a levante, quando la Macedonia e la servia concede al altra Albania
This region (south Albania, Epirus) is borderd by Thesaly like the other region (north Albania) is borderd by Servia and Macedonia..
Le citta sono; Janiana, l'Arta, Praga, Prevesa, Chimara Butrinto e altre
The major cities are ; Janian, Arta, Praga, Prevesa, Himara, Butrinti and others...
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Epirus. From south to north extends in length, for 150 leagues and from west to east 100 leagues . Its inhabitants, Albanians are descendants of the valiant warrior George Castriot known as Scanderbeg prince of Albania son of John, already Prince of Epirus.

1 Venetian league is equal to 4.8 km
So 150 leagues are equal to 720 km, and 100 leagues are equal to 480km. So Albania in 1816 wos extended for 720 km north- south (length) and for 480 km from west to est. Today Albania has a length of 355 km fron north to south and 150 km from west to est. :evil:
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Shume intersante interpretimet qe bene Crispi mbi etimologjine e emrave.. Pella ne maqedoni vjene nga pela (femra e kalit). Belgrad eshte imitim sllav nga pulcheriopolis ( qytet i bardhe ne qreqishte) kjo e fundit eshte nje imitim (perkthim) nga emri i vjete iIir parthenia (bardhenia, bardhesia...) Te tjerat do i perkthej me vone...
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Acrocerauni cioè nell'Epiro (hora Albania)
Acrocerrauni in Epirus naw Albania

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avendo mandato per statichi nell'Epiro o sia Albania 300 nobili
Had send in Epirus or Albania 300 nobles



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rigurdando all'Epiro hora Albania
covering Epirus now Albania

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Epiro p. l. oggi Albania
Epirus today Albania

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Preveza citta nell'Albania
Preveza a city in Albania

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Carauni son monti d'Albania
Careuni are mountains in Albania

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Evorèa citta nell'Albania
Evorea a city in Albania.
The moderm name of Evorèa is Evrìa ( a city in thesprotia)


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Tòmaro p. b. n (nome). di monte in albania
Tòmaro the name of a mounty in Albania
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Ne Enciklopedine Islame te vitit 1960 thuhet keshtu per Shqiperine dhe shqiptaret:
ARNAWUTLUK, the Ottoman Turkish name for Albania.

1.– Language.

Allegedly descended from Pelasgian, Albanian is an Indo-European language of “satem” type like Armenian, Indo-Iranian and Slavonic. No literary records occur before 1496 A.D., but ancient Illyrian and ancient Epirote, on the basis of personal and place names, are held to be the prototypes of Geg (northern) and Tosk (southern) Albanian respectively. Illyrian mantua, mantia, “bramble”, and grôssa, “file”, are Albanian mand, manzë and grresë respectively. Macedonian, Thracian and Dacian were languages of Albanian type.
Edhe pse kjo Enciklopedia mundohet qe preardhjen tone pellazge ta nihilozoje duke e quajtur 'allegedly" dmth 'gjoja', prapseprape ajo e kontradikton kete 'allegedly'n e vet. Perse? Meqe pranon se iliret dhe epirotet jane ruajtur saktesisht ne gege dhe toske, atehere tradita e lashte shkrimore (Straboni) i quan Epirotet Pellazge. Dmth, origjina jone pellazge eshte Ekzistente dhe e pakundershtueshme.
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Nuk ka rendesi pellazget, Alb, rendesi kane Epirotet, ata jane qe ne duhet te luftojme per te provuar si te paret tane. Ka shume arsye per kete, kur ne krye te listes qendron ajo qe eshte emri epirot qe perfaqson nje identitet solid si ne hapesire dhe ne kohe, me te cilen jane identifikuar shqiptaret dhe prijesit e tyre deri vone, prej te tjereve. Pastaj lidhjet e tyre me pellasget jane te arrtitshme per tu vertetuar, kurse persa ju perket Ilireve(dhe pellasgeve), meqe emri i tyre nuk i rezistoj dot kohes, nuk duhet te bejme gabimin qe ben greket, duke thirrur ne ndihme nje emer te humbur, sepse distanca e madhe kohore krijon ate shkeputje qe asnje argument dhe prove sado e forte, nuk e mbulon dot.
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Zeus10 wrote:Nuk ka rendesi pellazget, Alb, rendesi kane Epirotet, ata jane qe ne duhet te luftojme per te provuar si te paret tane. Ka shume arsye per kete, kur ne krye te listes qendron ajo qe eshte emri epirot qe perfaqson nje identitet solid si ne hapesire dhe ne kohe, me te cilen jane identifikuar shqiptaret dhe prijesit e tyre deri vone, prej te tjereve. Pastaj lidhjet e tyre me pellasget jane te arrtitshme per tu vertetuar, kurse persa ju perket Ilireve(dhe pellasgeve), meqe emri i tyre nuk i rezistoj dot kohes, nuk duhet te bejme gabimin qe ben greket, duke thirrur ne ndihme nje emer te humbur, sepse distanca e madhe kohore krijon ate shkeputje qe asnje argument dhe prove sado e forte, nuk e mbulon dot.
Sigurisht! Gjate kohes sa isha "Prometeu i Lidhur" mberthyer pas shkembinjeve te Skithise se keqe (e dini ju vete per ku e kam fjalen ;) :D ) ne literaturen qe lexoja, ndesha ne faktin qe shqiptaret qe kane marre pjese ne Kryengritjen e pare Serbe, jane quajtur Epirote. Do te perpiqem qe te gjej me shume te dhena sa i perket ketij fakti. E mira e se mires eshte qe ketu ne forum kemi kryer nje pune te papare; qe per hir te se vertetes duhet thene as Akademite e Tiranes&Prishtines prej viteve 90'te nuk kane bere aq sa kemi bere ne me vullnetin e mire dhe arsyejen, si baze te hulumtimeve tona. Megjithate, ne nuk ben te biem ne njefare vetekenaqesie e te mjaftohemi me kaq. Ne te vertete, ne duhet te mbledhim edhe shume e shume materiale te tjera, ne qoftese duam ta mposhtim propaganden dyqindvjecare te fqinjeve.

Ndonese, lidhjet epiroto-pellazge jane me te lehta per t'u vertetuar (fale tradites shkrimore te Strabonit dhe te tjereve), edhe ato iliro-pellazge nuk jane kushedi sa problematike per t'u zbardhur. Sic thote:
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Edhe dicka me teper ne lidhje me temen: Karl Marksi, themeluesi i doktrines marksiste-matrialiste, dhe si historian qe ishte ne menyre precize bregdetin shqiptare e pershkruan prej Tivarit deri ne Arte, kurse ne menyre te drejte Gadishullit Ballkanik i thote Gadishulli Iliro-Thrak;

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Scanderbeg in a letter addressed to the prince of Taranto, 31 dec 1460:
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Urime festa e flamurit kuqezi per te gjithe shqiptaret kudo qe jane!
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ALBPelasgian wrote:Pirro TE LUMTE qe i solle keto materiale te shkelqyeshme nga gjuha italiane per perkatesine shqiptare te Epirit!
Ne te vertete, ne kemi nevoje qe te mbledhin sa me shume material si nga italishtja ashtu edhe nga turqishtja,
sepse hem ne Turqi hem ne Itali mund te gjenden materiale me vlere qe dokumentojne brumin etnik shqiptar te Epirit!
Faleminderit Alb..!
Edhe une jame i te njetit mendime qe kemi nevoje per me shume materiale ne cfardolloj gjuhe qofshin... do ishte mire sikur te vinim nje lajmerime (ne emer te forumit) ne kete forum, ne forume te tjera dhe ne youtube ku te kerkojme persona qe dine frengjishte gjermanisht apo turqishte dhe qe kane deshire te bejne kerkime ne google books kur kane kohe te lire...
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pirro wrote: Faleminderit Alb..!
Edhe une jame i te njetit mendime qe kemi nevoje per me shume materiale ne cfardolloj gjuhe qofshin... do ishte mire sikur te vinim nje lajmerime (ne emer te forumit) ne kete forum, ne forume te tjera dhe ne youtube ku te kerkojme persona qe dine frengjishte gjermanisht apo turqishte dhe qe kane deshire te bejne kerkime ne google books kur kane kohe te lire...
Te them drejten, Pirro deri me tani po kontaktoj cdo person te mundshem hem ne youtube hem ne forume tjera shqiptare. Jo vetem qe po i kerkoj te bashkangjiten ne forumin tone, por sidomos po iu them te sjellin kerkimet e tyre ne internet (google.books) prej cfaredo gjuhe: anglisht, gjermanisht, frengisht, italisht apo turqisht. Shume nga ta me pergjigjen pozitivisht, mirepo deri me tani s'kane sjelle asnje material.

Sidoqofte, une po e bej te pamunduren duke kerkuar cdo informacion te mundshem nga google.books ne gjuhen angleze! Eshte mire te vazhdojme, pavaresisht se jemi pak vete, kjop sduhet te na demotivoje, perkudrazi ne duhet te vazhdojme!

Ja pa humbur kohe po hedh nje material nga anglishtja:
International Conciliation‎ - Page 750
by Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, American Association for International Conciliation, World War I Collection, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Division of Intercourse and Education - Arbitration, International - 1919
... and also place-names, and their strong resemblance to modern Albanian ...
that spoken by Alexander the Great of Macedon and of King Pyrrhus of Epirus...

We first hear of our ancestors from classical authors who describe and give the names of many of the independent clans who inhabited the Balkan Peninsula when its history dawns. All authorities agree that they are not Greek. The Greeks, in fact, designated them "barbarians." The main groups formed by these clans were known as Macedonia, Illyria, and Epirus. The inhabitants of all three, so Strabo informs us, spoke the same tongue and had similar customs.
The very name of Macedonia, formerly known as "Emathia," derives in all probability from the Albanian word E Madhia (the great). As for Illyria, "liria" in Albanian means "freedom," and we Albanians interpret it as "land of the free."

Strabo gives specimens of the language in his day, and also place-names, and their strong resemblance to modern Albanian justifies us in believing our language to be the direct descendant of that spoken by Alexander the Great of Macedon and of King Pyrrhus of Epirus.
In old days Illyria and Epirus together extended from the neighborhood of Trieste to the Gulf of Arta, the north side of which, as Strabo particularly informs us, was inhabited by the Epirotes, and the south by Greeks. Inland the Illyrian and Epirote land spread widely. Thus, all that we now know as Bosnia, the Herzegovina, Montenegro, and a large part of Serbia, was comprised in Illyria, as well as modern Albania.

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The Illyrians dwelt in the Pindus mountains and along the
Adriatic coast, and their settlements extended through Epirus
to the borders ...

A companion to Homer‎ - Page 312
Alan John Bayard Wace, Frank H. Stubbings - History - 1962

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“These probably originated in the pressure of the Illyrians, perhaps the ancestors of the modern Albanians. The tribes west of the Pindus were always considered less Hellenic than those east of that range, and the Illyrian element in that region was greater than the Grecian.

LIBRARY OF UNIVERSAL HISTORY AND POPULAR SCIENCE, PAGE 721

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