"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

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Post by Mallakastrioti » Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:17 pm

"È chiaro, infatti, che quella che oggi è detta Grecia anticamente non era abitata in
modo stabile: nei primi tempi, al contrario, si verificavano delle emigrazioni e i
singoli popoli abbandonavano con facilità le loro sedi tutte le volte che venivano
sopraffatti da altri più numerosi.

Non esistendo il commercio, né relazioni sicure
fra gli uni e gli altri per terra o per mare, i popoli sfruttavano le loro regioni quanto
bastava per vivere, non avevano eccedenza di ricchezza, non piantavano alberi
(infatti, anche per il fatto che erano privi di fortificazioni, non sapevano quando
qualcun altro sarebbe giunto e li avrebbe depredati) e ritenevano di potersi procurare
ovunque il nutrimento necessario giorno per giorno: emigravano, dunque, senza
difficoltà e per questo motivo non riuscivano a farsi valere né per la grandezza delle
città, né per alcuna altra risorsa. 3. In particolare subivano continui mutamenti di
abitanti le terre migliori, quali quelle che attualmente sono chiamate Tessaglia e
Beozia, nonché la maggior parte del Peloponneso, con l’eccezione dell’Arcadia, e le
regioni più fertili della Grecia.
4. Infatti le forze di alcuni, che si accrescevano grazie
alla fertilità del terreno, provocavano delle lotte intestine che erano causa di rovina.
Nello stesso tempo tali terre erano più esposte alle insidie di elementi stranieri
Anticamente, infatti, i Greci e quei barbari che abitavano lungo le coste del
continente o nelle isole, dal momento in cui cominciavano ad avere più frequenti
contatti reciproci via mare, si dedicarono alla pirateria,
guidati da uomini che non
erano i meno dotati di mezzi, i quali agivano sia allo scopo di lucro personale, sia per
assicurare il sostentamento ai deboli. Attaccando comunità prive di fortificazioni e
che vivevano in villaggi, le saccheggiavano e traevano da ciò la maggior parte dei
mezzi per vivere, dal momento che questa attività non aveva ancora una
caratterizzazione vergognosa, ma conferiva piuttosto una certa gloria. 2. Lo
dimostrano ancora oggi alcuni popoli del continente, per i quali è motivi di onore
esercitare con successo la pirateria, e gli antichi poeti i quali fanno porre ovunque la
stessa domanda ai naviganti che approdano, cioè se sono dei pirati, in quanto né
coloro che vengono interrogati respingono come indegna questa attività, né coloro
che si preoccupano di sapere la biasimano. 3. Anche sulla terraferma praticavano il
brigantaggio gli uni nei confronti degli altri e ancora oggi una grande parte della
Grecia vive alla maniera antica: mi riferisco ai Locresi Ozoli, agli Etoli, agli Acarnani
e alle popolazioni di questa area del continente. A questi popoli continentali è
rimasto, dall’antica pratica del brigantaggio, l’uso di portare armi.
12.1. In effetti, anche dopo la guerra di Troia, la Grecia fu soggetta a emigrazioni e a
nuovi insediamenti, così da non potersi sviluppare in tranquillità. 2. Il ritorno dei
Greci da Ilio, avvenuto dopo molto tempo, provocò infatti molti mutamenti: nelle
città, in generale, si verificarono delle lotte intestine e coloro che venivano cacciati in
conseguenza di tali lotte fondavano tali città. 3. Così gli attuali Beoti, cacciati da
Arne a opera dei Tessali, occuparono l’attuale Beozia, prima chiamata ‘terra di
Cadmo’… mentre i Dori al seguito degli Eraclidi occuparono il Peloponneso
ottant’anni dopo la caduta di Troia. 4. Solo con difficoltà e dopo molto tempo la
Grecia pervenne ad una situazione di stabile tranquillità e, non più soggetta a
migrazioni, inviò colonie: gli Ateniesi colonizzarono la Ionia e la maggior parte delle
isole, i Peloponnesi la maggior parte dell’Italia e della Sicilia e alcune regioni del
resto della Grecia. Tutte queste colonie furono fondate dopo la guerra di Troia.
13.1. Mentre la Grecia diveniva più potente e acquisiva il possesso di ricchezze
ancora maggiori che in precedenza, delle tirannidi si stabilirono in genere nelle città
(prima esistevano dinastie reali ereditarie, dotate di determinate prerogative) e i Greci
intanto allestivano le loro flotte e si dedicavano di più al mare…
17.1. Inoltre, tutti i tiranni che erano al potere nelle città greche, preoccupandosi solo
del proprio interesse, e cioè di accrescere il loro potere personale e quello della loro
famiglia, governavano le città con la maggior prudenza possibile e nessuna impresa
degna di considerazione fu compiuta da parte loro, ad eccezione di qualche azione
contro i rispettivi vicini (i tiranni di Sicilia, da parte loro, pervennero a un altissimo
grado di potenza). Così, per tutta una serie di motivi, alla Grecia fu per lungo tempo
impedito di realizzare in comune qualcosa di insigne e alle singole città di compiere
qualche audace impresa.
18.1. In seguito non solo i tiranni di Atene, ma anche quelli del resto della Grecia,
che anche in precedenza era stata diffusamente governata da regimi tirannici, furono
per la maggior parte e in particolare gli ultimi, ad eccezione di quelli di Sicilia,
rovesciati dagli Spartani. In effetti, anche se Sparta, dopo essere stata fondata dai
Dori, che ora la abitano, fu soggetta alle più lunghe lotte intestine di cui abbiamo
conoscenza, tuttavia fu caratterizzata fin dai tempi più antichi da una situazione di
legalità e fu sempre esente dalla tirannide, infatti sono approssimativamente poco più
di quattrocento anni rispetto alla fine di questa guerra che gli Spartani possiedono la
stessa forma di governo, ed è grazie alla potenza derivante loro da questa situazione
che essi sono stati in grado di regolare anche gli affari nelle altre città.
Successivamente alla eliminazione dei tiranni nella Grecia, non molti anni dopo, ebbe
luogo la battaglia di Maratona fra Medi ed Ateniesi. 2. Nel decimo anno dopo questa,
il barbaro marciò di nuovo con la sua grande spedizione contro la Grecia allo scopo
di ridurla in schiavitù. Allora, mentre incombeva tale grave pericolo, i Lacedemoni,
che erano superiori quanto a forze, assunsero il comando dei Greci che si unirono per
combattere e gli Ateniesi, di fronte all’avanzata dei Medi, decisero di abbandonare la
città e, imbarcatisi con i loro beni sulle navi, divennero marinai. ..."

Thuc., I, 2, 1 ss.

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Post by Mallakastrioti » Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:14 pm

Language and National Identity in Greece, 1766-1976
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Post by Zeus10 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:20 pm

Arriani, eshte nje shkrimtar grek, qe pretendohet se ka shkruar qe ne shekullin e II pas Krishtit. Ne librin e tij: "Tactica" Paragrafi 3.5, gjeta pasazhin e meposhtem:

δὲ τοῦ ψιλοῦ τῷ δὲ ἀκριβεῖ καὶ βαρεῖ ὁπλιτικῷ καὶ κράνη πρόσκειται, ἢ πῖλοι Λακωνικοὶ ἢ Ἀρκαδικοί, καὶ κνημῖδες, ὡς τοῖς πάλαι Ἕλλησιν, ἢ ὡς Ῥωμαίοις κνημὶς μία πρὸ τῆς κνήμης τῆς ἐν ταῖς μάχαις προβαλλομένης, καὶ θώρακες, οἳ μὲν φολιδωτοί, οἳ δὲ ἁλύσεσι λεπταῖς σιδηραῖς ἐπηλλαγμένοι

A i quan Arriani: Helenet e vjeter ose ndryshe Romaiois.....
qe ne ate shekull, apo konteksi eshte tjeter?

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Post by bardus » Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:31 pm

Edhe ne burimin e meposhtem thuhet se emri Helen filloi te perdorej pas pavaresise se Greqise dhe se qe ne kohe te romakeve greket e therrisnin veten
Romans dhe se gjuha tyre quhej `Romaika`.

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Post by Mallakastrioti » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:44 pm

Zeus10 wrote:Arriani, eshte nje shkrimtar grek, qe pretendohet se ka shkruar qe ne shekullin e II pas Krishtit. Ne librin e tij: "Tactica" Paragrafi 3.5, gjeta pasazhin e meposhtem:

δὲ τοῦ ψιλοῦ τῷ δὲ ἀκριβεῖ καὶ βαρεῖ ὁπλιτικῷ καὶ κράνη πρόσκειται, ἢ πῖλοι Λακωνικοὶ ἢ Ἀρκαδικοί, καὶ κνημῖδες, ὡς τοῖς πάλαι Ἕλλησιν, ἢ ὡς Ῥωμαίοις κνημὶς μία πρὸ τῆς κνήμης τῆς ἐν ταῖς μάχαις προβαλλομένης, καὶ θώρακες, οἳ μὲν φολιδωτοί, οἳ δὲ ἁλύσεσι λεπταῖς σιδηραῖς ἐπηλλαγμένοι

A i quan Arriani: Helenet e vjeter ose ndryshe Romaiois.....
qe ne ate shekull?
Edhe pse historigrafia zyrtare kerkon te na imponoje qe popullsite e se keshtuauqjtur Greqi identifikoheshin si qytetare romak (Romioi) vetem ne shek. 14-15 e me mbas, une mendoj se asimilimi gjate periudhes se romanizimit kishte dhene frutet e veta ne keto popullsi (te cilat nuk kishin shume ndryshime prej kesaj se sotme), preveç nje etnie qe kurre nuk u vetidentifikua si "Romioi" dhe keta ishin Arberoret apo shqipot e lashte. Nuk kemi asnje tekst apo te vetmen prove qe shqiptaret e lashte te jene identifikuar si "Romioi" edhe pse shqiptaret benin pjese ne Perandorine e Lindjes.
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Post by Zeus10 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:14 pm

Pyetja ime eshte kur kane filluar "helenet" te quhen "romioi"?

  Romans or Rhomaioi (Ρωμαίοι), Romioi (Ρωμιοί), Romios (Ρωμιός) is the name by which the Greeks were known in the Middle Ages and during Ottoman rule.  
Eshte e vertete kjo e mesipermja, dmth gjate periudhes:
The Middle Ages is a period of European history encompassing the 5th to the 15th centuries.
apo shume perpara saj?

Dhe pastaj si ndodhi qe befas, u kujtuan qe quheshin: 'helene", ne shekullin e 19-te?

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George Spanos (c.1872-1912) of Evdilos, killed in a Turkish ambush on that July 17, is honored as the hero of the Icarian Revolution. His bust, depicting him defiantly, with bandoliers and rifle in hand, may be seen in the National Resistance Square in Evdilos.

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Post by ALBPelasgian » Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:11 am

Zeus10 wrote: A i quan Arriani: Helenet e vjeter ose ndryshe Romaiois.....
qe ne ate shekull, apo konteksi eshte tjeter?
Nji apelativ i tille ka qene ne perdorim qysh prej kohes sa Siujdhesa Ilirike (perfshire edhe Greqine) u be pjese e Perandorise Romake. Kjo ka ndodhe per dy arsye:

1. Shumica e subjekteve qe kishin te drejten e qytetarise romake quheshin me nje apelativ te tille;

2. Greqia ne nje mase te konsiderueshme ishte kolonizuar nga romanet, te cilet sollen me vete edhe familjet e tyre. Kesaj i ka kontribuar goxha edhe mpakja e vazhdueshme e grekeve, ose nga lufterat e epidemite ose nga migrimet drejt Azise se Vogel. Pausania ruan ca shenime te vlefshme per kete ceshtje:
"Corinth is no longer inhabited by any of the old Corinthians, but by colonists sent out by the Romans" (2.1.2).
"...while Delos, once the common market of Greece, has no Delian inhabitants..."(8.33.2).
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Post by Mallakastrioti » Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:08 pm

Ec e merri vesh keto gra te "Greqise se lashte" prej ciles etni rridhnin dhe mbi te gjitha si ua "pervetesuan" shqiptarkat malesore kostumet dhe veshjet sikurse moden e flokeve :)
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Post by Zeus10 » Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:19 pm

Kjo Tana-gra(Τανάγρα) ne Beoti, sipas Homerit quhej GRAIA:

Βοιωτῶν μὲν Πηνέλεως καὶ Λήϊτος ἦρχον
Ἀρκεσίλαός τε Προθοήνωρ τε Κλονίος τε,
οἵ θ᾽ Ὑρίην ἐνέμοντο καὶ Αὐλίδα πετρήεσσαν
Σχοῖνόν τε Σκῶλόν τε πολύκνημόν τ᾽ Ἐτεωνόν,
Θέσπειαν Γραῖάν τε καὶ εὐρύχορον Μυκαλησσόν

dhe kjo graia, ne "greqisht" eshte as me pak dhe as me shume por fjala shqipe gra(grua):

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Sigurisht Zeus10 dhe te falenderoj, por eshte me te vertet habites imazhi i pare krahasues te cilin ndeshim ne foto. Eshte e "çuditshme" ku mesuan grate malesore shqiptare te dredhin dhe mbajne floket sikurse Aspasia Athiniote (imazhi me poshte)

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Gjetja juaj Mallakastrioti, eshte nje nga ato gjetje, qe duhet perfshire si paresore, ne informacionet qe planifikojme ti sistemojme per t'jau paraqitur shqiptareve.
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Post by Mallakastrioti » Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:17 am

Te pakten jane ne rruge te mbare dhe duke e pranuar vete cilet jane.
Artikull interesant prej "ΕΛΕΥΘΕΡH EPEYNA" me autor Dimitris Epikouris
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THE SOCIO-CULTURAL
ROOTS
OF THE GREEK
ECONOMIC CRISIS

The economic crisis in Greece which threatens to act as a locomotive power that will force most of the countries in the european south to exit the Eurozone, has triggered many discussions and predictions concerning the future of Europe as an entity. Numerous analyses find their way to the media on a daily basis, all attempting to explain the repercussions of Greece’s inability to reform and lead itself to an economic growth that will eventually free the country from the constantly increasing need of borrowing money to satisfy its basic needs.

However, all those reports and economic analyses have something in common. They fail to deeply examine the socio-cultural roots of the greek crisis. If one does not take into account the idiosyncrasy and the psycho-synthesis of the modern greek people, will just miss the point.

Modern Greece is by no means related either genetically or culturally to the ancient cosmos and the people who once occupied this land. The modern greeks are just an intermixture of balkan tribes (albanians/arvanites, slavs, wlachs) which in the process of time mingled with northern africans, armenians and other tribes of Anatolia, not to mention the francs and the venetians who were also dominantly present in this land.

Those groups were mainly involved in agriculture and animal breeding. A significant number of them had been employed by the ottomans to serve in the army because the local inhabitants were hard natured and warlike.

During the byzantium era, those tribes were christianized while the few remaining descendants of the ancient greeks who refused to convert to christianity were either persecuted and killed by the christian emperors or died of several plague waves that occurred quite frequently back in those days. Another factor that contributed to the reduction of the population was piracy. It is a well known fact that the city of Sparta had been almost abandoned and unoccupied for 400 years while Athens and especially the area around the Acropolis was a place for pasturing sheep.

The attempts to “hellenize” those intermixed tribes were mainly made by european sovereign states which needed a protectorate to promote their interests. The geographic location of Greece is still considered as the connecting doorway between East and West. The european romantics who dreamed of reviving the ancient hellenic cosmos through the mountain savages also bear a degree of responsibility for the false identity that was given to the modern greeks.

The superfluous and simultaneously disastrous decision to name as “hellenes” (greeks) that intermixture of tribes eventually placed a very heavy burden upon them simply because they lacked the proper educational background that would enable them to develop the necessary awareness that would help them identify themselves with the ancient inhabitants of this land.

Image These mountainous hard natured shepherds were made to believe that they were not only the offsprings of the ancient greeks but also the christian God's blessed people. Everyone can observe that there is no comparison between these people and the ancient greeks. No resemblance whatsoever physically, aesthetically and mentally.

The Eastern Church was forcefully against any kind of education as it wanted its subservient believers not to read anything but the Bible. The role that the Church played during the years of the ottoman presence was catastrophic for the majority of the people because it was the main and the most effective collaborator of the sultan either through collecting taxes or contributing to the suppression of every revolt against the ottoman authority. The Church was surely rewarded by the Divan with a humongous amount of land enough to rank it as the biggest landowner of the country.

The confusing identity of being a hellene and a christian at the same time still haunts most of the people in this land. Most of the people in Greece have been made to believe that they are the pure descendants of Pericles, Socrates, Leonidas and Alexander the Great while they consider it quite natural to be christian orthodox as well. Two completely conflicting worlds co-exist abnormally in the socio-cultural background of modern greeks.

The revolution of 1821 against the ottomans that eventually led to the formation of the modern greek state couldn’t have been achieved without the contribution of the european superpowers of that era. The seabattle of Navarino that marked the creation of modern Greece reflects the need of the europeans to use this land as their protectorate governed by regimes that were either appointed or imposed by the european financial interests. Modern Greece has always been victimized and exploited by the superpowers while its role in the sociopolitical arena has never been autonomous.

The modern greek citizens who had never experienced the gifts of Renaissance, Enlightment and Industrialization remain culturally underdeveloped even today. Greece has been governed by the offsprings of the family clans that ruled the land right after the collapse of the byzantine empire and although it is true that democracy was born in this part of the world, it is not true that the ancestors of modern greeks are the ones who first created it.

Image The Church continues to dominate the politics in this land. Greece is the last theocratic state in Europe. If someone wishes to have a career in politics, he had better "bow" to the local Church bosses first.

In the 50’s and 60’s thousands of modern greeks were forced to abandon their villages and either migrate abroad or seek employment in the big city centers where factories were built and needed cheap labor. The countryside was abandoned and the cities experienced an unprecedented overpopulation that led to severe demographic and environmental problems since there was no urban planning (there isn’t one even today).

The rural depopulation, however, created another great problem that few politicians have dared to tackle: The disease of urbanism. The constant flow of villagers showed that the motives to abandon their villages were not only based on their need for employment but also on their desire to experience the “urban style” of living with a sense of hedonistic lust. Contrary to the US southerners who take pride in their heritage and their land, the greek villagers preferred to come to big city centers and work as industrial workers or clerks instead of remaining in their land and cultivating it. They believed that “easy living” can only be found in the big cities.

The military junta in 1967 encouraged the “love for urbanism” of the villagers even more.

Two main political parties emerged after the fall of the military junta. The “New Democracy” party and the “Panhellenic Socialist Party” also known as “PASOK”. The first one had a conservative approach and the second one a supposedly socialist one. Both of them, however, had one thing in common: They made sure that everything should be directly or indirectly controlled by the state. In order to achieve their goal which was no other than to remain in power as long as possible, they found a destructive way of doing that. Thus, the state was transformed into an enormous employment agency.

Those two political parties hired thousands of unqualified individuals to work in the public sector. The regimes borrowed money from the European Union to finance the fat salaries and the special privileges of their public servant armies. Prosperity in the private sector came only if it interweaved with the public one. No matter what somebody did, no matter what public service he wished to have, he simply couldn’t have it unless he bribed. Bureaucracy and corruption have always been interwoven.

The degree of corruption in modern Greece is by far higher than the one in many Asian, South American and African countries. The country stopped producing anything since ¼ of its workforce was employed by the state. Finding a job in the public sector became every young person’s dream. It was no longer important what academic credentials one had. What mattered was what kind of political connections he had so as to be placed somewhere in the public sector where he would be handsomely paid without doing anything! The populist rhetoric applied by both those political parties created a new kind of roman-like ethics among the people. Undoubtedly, this grotesque political system is a unique modern greek invention. Having conservative (right wing, anti-communist) regimes with a stalinistic approach of implementing the authority of the state is something that can only be found in the country of Greece.

The modern greeks are noted for having mastered the art of creating conspiracy theories. The whole world is supposedly plotting against them because of their racial "superiority".


John Maynard Keynes’ suggestion of “first stabilize and then reform” cannot find any application here because the greek economy can never be stabilized as it overflows with useless and counterproductive public servants.

All the above mentioned facts may sound a bit surprising to someone from another western state. Well, nothing should be surprising, nothing at all.

It is impossible for the descendants of chicken and sheep thieves, who lived on top of mountains and inside caves, rarely took a shower, kidnapped their hick wives from their parents and robbed villages, to understand how civilized nations function not to mention to feel europeans. It is also impossible for a nation that never experienced the gifts of Enlightment, Democracy and the Industrial Revolution to be able to adapt to the constantly evolving international economy.

If someone wonders why the rest European Union countries are so stiff against Greece, it is perhaps because they are ignorant of the real situation here. They lack the necessary knowledge to fully comprehend the socio-cultural roots of the modern greek state.

Greece will never be a purely european country. It can’t be. It doesn’t want to be.

Dimitris Epikouris

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Post by Mallakastrioti » Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:08 am

Kur osmanet dhe Perandoria Osmane sikurse Sulltanet lidhnin kontrata me Malin Athos , Kishen Greke dhe kur prifterinjte greke bashkpunonin me ta. Dokumente interesante si me poshte:

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Post by Mallakastrioti » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:28 pm

Nuk ndryshojne teper prej vendeve islamiko-arabe ekstremiste:



Greqia është ortodoksia” ishte parrulla e tyre.
Te kene frike edhe prej nje pjese teatrale? (Protestat kunder pjeses tetrale te regjizorit Laert Vasili)
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