"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

Shqiponja me dy koke ky simbol i lashte.

Arkeologjia dhe antropologjia janë disiplina të rëndësishme në fushën e historise, sillni të dhëna për to dhe zbulimet e bëra për një vështrim të bazuar të historisë.

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Post by Gazmend » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:23 am

Teme e bukur kjo, por zoteri arberor une nuk e kam te kjarte kete pikturen me larte. Cka figuron aty ju lutem ?

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Gazmend wrote:Teme e bukur kjo, por zoteri arberor une nuk e kam te kjarte kete pikturen me larte. Cka figuron aty ju lutem ?

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click on the picture, and you will see the double headed eagle, basically same flag as ours, red and black. Seems that the painter failed to hide the flag.

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Post by Gazmend » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:47 am

arberor wrote:
Gazmend wrote:Teme e bukur kjo, por zoteri arberor une nuk e kam te kjarte kete pikturen me larte. Cka figuron aty ju lutem ?

Faleminderit.
click on the picture, and you will see the double headed eagle, basically same flag as ours, red and black. Seems that the painter failed to hide the flag.
O, thank you. Had to click twice. Saw it now. Great

Sorry for asking you in Albanian, your name looks familiar.

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so what does this mean, could Venetians be Albanians or we atleast had a major role in the city, or did we copy our flag from Venetians?,

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Post by erix77 » Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:38 pm

arberor wrote:so what does this mean, could Venetians be Albanians or we atleast had a major role in the city, or did we copy our flag from Venetians?,
It could just be the Holy roman empire flag and have nothing to do with our flag but can also be an Albanian as at the time that the paintings were made (16th century) there were a lot of Albanians living in Venice.
Dhe e bëmë me besa besën ja të rrojmë ja të vdesëm!

Ishte thënë prej Zotit që të nderohen armët e Shqipërisë!

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Post by arberor » Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:51 pm

erix77 wrote:
arberor wrote:so what does this mean, could Venetians be Albanians or we atleast had a major role in the city, or did we copy our flag from Venetians?,
It could just be the Holy roman empire flag and have nothing to do with our flag but can also be an Albanian as at the time that the paintings were made (16th century) there were a lot of Albanians living in Venice.
Whether the painter applied to his time or not., that fact is some of the events were in the 12century, and showing with Albanian flags,

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Post by erix77 » Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:43 am

arberor wrote:
erix77 wrote:
arberor wrote:so what does this mean, could Venetians be Albanians or we atleast had a major role in the city, or did we copy our flag from Venetians?,
It could just be the Holy roman empire flag and have nothing to do with our flag but can also be an Albanian as at the time that the paintings were made (16th century) there were a lot of Albanians living in Venice.
Whether the painter applied to his time or not., that fact is some of the events were in the 12century, and showing with Albanian flags,
yes but did we had an Albanian flag in the 12th century?
My firm believe is that the Albanian flag was born with Scanderbeg and so before him it could have been any kind of flag,roman ,byzantine,German or whatever.

P.s.I don't think that a 16th century painter had a clear idea of what clothes,uniforms,symbols or flags were used 4 centuries before his own time,instead he must have used the reality that his own eyes testified in the paintings that described the past.
Dhe e bëmë me besa besën ja të rrojmë ja të vdesëm!

Ishte thënë prej Zotit që të nderohen armët e Shqipërisë!

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Edmund Blair Leighton Paintings, Art, Oil Painting


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Post by arberor » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:19 pm

bardus wrote:Edmund Blair Leighton Paintings, Art, Oil Painting


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the firs pic is blurry and not showing everything.

here a better one:

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here is the second one http://paintings-art-picture.com/Edmund ... image2.htm

wow, what does mean?

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Post by Mallakastrioti » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:12 am

Simboli i Shqiponjes, shpendi mitik qe nderohej prej iliro-shqiptareve.

Shume kultura te lashta e kane patur kete simbol, pra shqiponjen. Zanafilla e ketij simboli ka te beje me gjithesine e zotave dhe eshte nje simbol diellor. Shqiponjat dykrenare jane tipare te zotave te dyfishte, pra te fuqise se dyfishte apo gjithedijes se dyfishte.
Ky simbol nuk lind aspak as me Perandorine Romake dhe as me ate Bizantine, por keto Perandori e pervetesuan kete simbol prej kulturave te mepareshme. Nder Epirotet e lashte eshte e njohur tashme qe ky simbol lidhet me Pirron e Epirit. Gjithashtu nder Bylinet e lashte (fis Ilir ne Ilirine e Jugut) ky simbol na paraqitet ne monedhat e tyre ne formen e nje shqiponje njekrereshe. Por a kemi fakte qe ky simbol paraqitet nder fiset ilire veriore?
Ne se do analizonim artefaktet ilire gjetur pikerisht ne Ilirine e Veriut, si dhe duke u mbeshtetur ne ilirologe te famshem si A. Stipçeviç, nuk mund te kemi as dyshimin me te vogel qe iliret e perdornin kete simbol diellor, pra shqiponjen dykrenare (fuqi e zotave te dyfishte) edhe ne mburojat e tyre (shih imazhin e bashkangjitur). Pra ne imazhin e sjell ne kete shkrim ne mburojen e luftetarit ilir paraqitet pikerisht shqiponja dykrenare.
Keto fakte hedhin poshte spekulimet qe mund te behen lidhur ketij somboli te sterlashte iliro-shqiptar. Shqiptaret e trasheguan prej te pareve te tyre dhe shqiptaret kane banuar perhere ne tokat stergjyshore ku gjenden sot.

(Foto: Shkeputur prej vepres se A. Stipçeviç "Iliret")

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