"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

Why do we call it Greece while it's Albanian land?

Sillni harta historike fiziko-politike-etnografike, që pasqyrojnë realitetin etnik dhe politik të një rajoni të caktuar, në një periudhë të caktuar.

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This map, from an Ancient Greece site, is in the public domain and comes from the 1886 Ginn & Company Classical Atlas by Keith Johnston.

~Edhe kjo harte ne menyre te sakte duke iu permbajtur me besnikeri burimeve te shkruara antike, Epirin nuk e paraqet Grek, pervec kolonive te Ambrakise dhe Kerkyres (Korfuzi i sotem) qe ishin kolonizuar nga greket.
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Te me falni nese e perseris kete harte (shpresoj te mos e kem postuar edhe diku tjeter) flet per kufinjte e Greqise se Vertete, ku Maqedonia dhe Epiri perfaqesojne popujt barbare.

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Harte mbi demografine e Morese. Me ngjyre vjollce jane paraqitur shqiptaret:

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Albania has been often confounded wiih Epirus. The chain of Pindus anil the Aceoceraunian mountains,
which are a branch of the former, divide these two provinces;
AU banialyingon thenortherr, and Epirus on the southern side the chain.
Albania is the ancient Greek or Macedonian Illyrium; it extends north as far as Austrian Dalmatia.
The people appear to be a very ancient race, perhaps the descendants of the ancient lllyriacs,
who were once partly subjected to the Kings of Macedonia and Epirus, and afterwards, in the same manner, to the Romans;
their remoteness and their mountains protecting them from total subjugation,
as well as from the subsequent irruptions of the northern barbarians.—
In the time of the crusades, Albania was a great thoroughfare for the western Ci-ri.iti;;ns, and the
chronicles of the time speak of it as a populous and warlike nation:
many of the people followed the fortunes of the crusaders, and spread themselves over Greece,
liven now, great part of eastern Greece, and some ilisiricts ol the Morea and of the islands, are peopled with Albanians,

who have regained Christians; and there are Albaniin colonists to be found in the mouniains of Abruzzo, in the kingdom of Naples,
who still speak a distinct Ian. i(uage, and juescrvc the dress and u.anncrs of their country.

~~~The Kaleidoscope: or, Literary and scientific mirror~~~1829, page 166.
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"...the ethnicity of these merchants is not clear. Although
referred to by Westerners as Greeks, they were of diverse ethnic
origin. The high status of the Orthodox Patrarchate and the
predominance of the Greek element within the new merchant class
meant that 'Greek' became a prestigious identification
for all merchants
"
Ky pasazh i mesiperm eshte padyshim mjaft i rendesishem ne shpjegimin
sesi 'Patriarkana Ortodokse' e mbizoteruar nga grekerit ishte berthama e koncipimit
te levizjes "nacionaliste" "Greke". Vazhdojme me nje shtjellim qe e gjeta duke e lexuar Misha Glenyn:
In 1814 a group of failed Greek merchants founded a secret society,
the Philiki Etairia (Friendly Society), with a simple political objective -
'the liberation of the Motherland'.
Noone of the conspirators had the first idea of the geographical contours
of the Motherland, or who belonged in it.
The society was based not in the Ottoman Empire but in Odessa,
the Russian Black Sea port.
The society's vague goals reflected the uncertain nature of Greek identity.
But this uncertainty also allowed it to react quickly to developments,
because the Society was not bound by a specific strategy. (...)
The majority of tis members were Greek-speakers
but its pan-christian sentiment also attracted Russians
(many of them working directly on behalf of the Tsar),
Romanians, Serbs (Karadjordje,
for example, went through the initation ceremony),
Albanians and even some disaffected Turks'
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Post by ALBPelasgian » Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:39 pm

Pra, anetaret e nje grupi "nacionalist" nuk paskan pasur as idene
me te vogel te 'memedheut' te tyre. Kjo pakashume verteton fjalet
e te madhit Fallmerayer i cilit thoshte se Revolucioni 'Grek' nuk ishte
pelcitje e masave nga poshte, mirepo penetrim prej se larti, dmth
i organizuar nga shtetet e jashtme (e kishte fjalen per superfuqite e
kohes). Nuk eshte e cuditshme qe nje numer karikaturistesh
ne ze te kohes e satrizonin kesisoj "Greqine" kete 'dashnore te
Perendimit' sic do ta quante me vone R.Kaplan.
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Cartoon of World Powers Policing Greece
Original caption: 1897: A political cartoon satirizing the trouble that
the world's powers (England, Austria, Russia, Germany, Italy, and France),
are having in dealing with Greece. Greece is represented as a small boy in traditional
costume while the other countries are represented as huge policemen.
The cartoon is labeled, "A small job for six, big policemen."
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Greece is represented as a small boy in traditional
costume while the other countries are represented as huge policemen
What traditional costume though?
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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Post by ALBPelasgian » Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:49 pm

Ja numri i popullsise shqiptare ne Mbreterine e Junanistanit:

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Post by ALBPelasgian » Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:46 pm

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Shihet, se numri i shqiptare ne Mbreterine e kinseGreqise se re (ish Junanistani) vertitet prej
170.000 deri ne 200.000. E kam pasur te ruajtur deri me tani nje artikull te gazetes Koha Ditore
ku thuhej sipas vleresimeve te nje gazete te nje kolonie shqiptare ne Kajro, numri i shqiptareve
ne Mbreterine "Greke" mberrinte gjer ne 900.000 (pra gati ne nje milion)!

Zeus10, besoj qe jeni me mire dhe me gjere i informuar se une, andaj do te pyesja ne lidhje me dy gjera:
- ke ndonje material qe tregon cila eshte numri i shqiptareve ne Mbreterine "Greke"?
- cili eshte numri i pergjithshem i popullsise ne kete mbreteri?
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