"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

ORIGJINA BULLGARE E SLLAVO-MAQEDONEVE

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Post by ALBPelasgian » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:16 am

Official Turkish statistics admitted only one principle of discrimination between the ethnic groups dwelling in Macedonia, namely religion. Thus all the Mahomrnedans formed a single group although there might be among them Turks, Albanians, Bulgarian "pomaks," etc.: all the patriarchists in the same way were grouped together as "Greeks," although there might be among them Servians, Wallachians, Bulgarians, etc. Only in the "exarchist" group, did religion coincide, more or less, with Bulgarian nationality.

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Post by ALBPelasgian » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:23 am

Since the Bulgarian idea, as it is well known to all, is deeply rooted in Macedonia, I think it is almost impossible to shake it completely by opposing it merely with the Serbian idea. This idea, we fear, would be incapable, as opposition pure and simple, of suppressing the Bulgarian idea. That is why the Serbian idea will need an ally that could stand in direct opposition to the Bulgarianism and would contain in itself the elements which could attract the people and their feelings and thus sever them from Bulgarianism. This ally I see in the Macedonism or to a certain extent in our nursing the Macedonian dialect and Macedonian separatism.

On modern Macedonian history, On the Republic of Macedonia
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]Modern Slavs, both Bulgarians and Macedonians, cannot establish a link with antiquity, as the Slavs entered the Balkans centuries after the demise of the ancient Macedonian kingdom. Only the most radical Slavic factions—mostly émigrés in the United States, Canada, and Australia—even attempt to establish a connection to antiquity [...] The twentieth-century development of a Macedonian ethnicity, and its recent evolution into independent statehood following the collapse of the Yugoslav state in 1991, has followed a rocky road. In order to survive the vicissitudes of Balkan history and politics, the Macedonians, who have had no history, need one. They reside in a territory once part of a famous ancient kingdom, which has borne the Macedonian name as a region ever since and was called ”Macedonia” for nearly half a century as part of Yugoslavia. And they speak a language now recognized by most linguists outside Bulgaria, Serbia, and Greece as a south Slavic language separate from Slovenian, Serbo-Croatian, and Bulgarian. Their own so-called Macedonian ethnicity had evolved for more than a century, and thus it seemed natural and appropriate for them to call the new nation “Macedonia” and to attempt to provide some cultural references to bolster ethnic survival.

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Italian linguist Vittore Pisani stated "the Macedonian language is actually an artifact produced for primarily political reasons"
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To this end he spent much time in Macedonia. ‘Macedonia,’ be it observed, is a conveniently elastic term, which is made to include all the territory anyone wishes to annex. It is a loose, and therefore misleading term.

“The Burden of the Balkans” By M. Edith Durham 1863-1944, Page 76
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10. "Bulgarian Balkan Band" - founded in 1915 in Stilton, Pennsylvania. Most of its members were from Prilep, Macedonia.
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Macedonia: Its Races and Their Future
H. Brailsford
IV. The Races of Macedonia

10. Are the Macedonians Serbs or Bulgars ?


Are the Macedonians Serbs or Bulgars ? The question is constantly asked and dogmatically answered in Belgrade and Sofia. But the lesson of history obviously is that there is no answer at all. They are not Serbs, for their blood can hardly be purely Slavonic. There must be in it some admixture of Bulgarian and other non-Aryan stock (Kuman Tartars, Pechenegs, &c.). On the other hand, they can hardly be Bulgarians, for quite clearly the Servian immigrations and conquests must have left much Servian blood in their veins, and the admixture of non-Aryan blood can scarcely be so considerable as it is in Bulgaria. They are probably very much what they were before either a Bulgarian or a Servian Empire existed — a Slav people derived from rather various stocks, who invaded the peninsula at different periods. But they had originally no clear consciousness of race, and any strong Slavonic Power was able to impose itself upon them. One may say safely that for historical reasons the people of Kossovo and the North West are definitely Serbs, while the people of Ochrida are clearly Bulgarians. The affinities of the rest of Macedonia are decided on purely political grounds. Language teaches us very little. The differences between literary Servian and Bulgarian are not considerable, but they are very definite. The Macedonian dialect is neither one nor the other, but in certain structural features it agrees rather with Bulgarian than with Servian. This, however, means little; for modern Servian is not the language of Dushan, but the dialect of Belgrade. A southern Macedonian finds no difficulty in making himself understood in Dushan's country (Uskub and Prizrend), though he will feel a foreigner in Belgrade. One must also discount the effects of propaganda. A priest or teacher from Sofia or Belgrade who settles in a village will modify its dialect considerably in the course of a generation. This process may be observed at work round such centres as Uskub, where both Servians and Bulgarians are active. A trained ear can now detect a difference speech


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between villages which are only a few miles apart, and even the foreigner notices that while the Bulgarophil peasants answer a question in the affirmative with "Da," the Serbophils say "Yis." The element of accident in these political affinities is very large. It is not uncommon to find fathers who are themselves officially "Greeks" equally proud of bringing into the world "Greek," "Servian," "Bulgarian," and "Roumanian" children. The passion for education is strong, and the various propagandas pander eagerly to it. If a father cannot contrive to place all his sons in a secondary school belonging to the race which he himself affects, the prospect of a bursary will often induce him to plant them out in rival establishments. It is, of course, a point of honour that a boy who is educated at the expense of one or other of these peoples must himself adopt its language and its nationality. The same process is at work among the villages. I remember vividly my amazement when I encountered this quaint phenomenon during my first visit to Macedonia. I was talking to a wealthy peasant who came in from a neighbouring village to Monastir market. He spoke Greek well, but hardly like a native. "Is your village Greek," I asked him, "or Bulgarian ?" "Well," he replied, "it is Bulgarian now, but four years ago it was Greek." The answer seemed to him entirely natural and commonplace. "How," I asked in some bewilderment, "did that miracle come about ?" "Why," said he, "we are all poor men, but we want to have our own school and a priest who will look after us properly. We used to have a Greek teacher. We paid him £5 a year and his bread, while the Greek consul paid him another £5; but we had no priest of our own. We shared a priest with several other villages, but he was very unpunctual and remiss. We went to the Greek Bishop to complain, but he refused to do anything for us. The Bulgarians heard of this and they came and made us an offer. They said they would give us a priest who would live in the village and a teacher to whom we need pay nothing. Well, sir, ours is a poor village, and so of course we became Bulgarians." One can picture this rather quaint


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revolution. The little man who had once been to Athens abandons the hopeless task of teaching Greek to children who had learnt only Slav from their mothers. The legend that Alexander the Great was a Greek goes out by one road, and the rival myth that Alexander was a Bulgarian comes in by the other. The Mass, which was droned unpunctually in ancient Greek, is now droned (punctually) in ancient Slav. But beneath the rather comic aspects of this incident the fact remains that the village was now obtaining education in its own tongue, and opening its doors to civilising influences which came to it in a form which it could assimilate and make its own. The bribe of £5 did but hasten an inevitable process. I have heard a witty French consul declare that with a fund of a million francs he would undertake to make all Macedonia French. He would preach that the Macedonians are the descendants of the French crusaders who conquered Salonica in the twelfth century, and the francs would do the rest. But after all, the Greeks dispose of ample funds, and yet the Greeks have lost Macedonia.
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Jo vetem "maqedonasit", por dhe serbet jane te prejardhur gjuhesisht nga bullgaret, gjuha e tyre eshte thjesht nje zhvillimi lokal i Church Sllavonic(Bullgarishtja e hershme).
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ORIGJINA BULLGARE E SLLAVO-MAQEDONEVE
Edhe nga origjina Shqiptare jane te perbere keta Sllavet e Maqedonise , kurse Vllehet nuk i cek askush ketu .
Shqiptaret Orthodox quhen sot Sllave qe ne i njohim akoma ato fshatra ku banonin (banojne) .
Nuk eshte kohe e gjate per ti harruar , pasi jane edhe dokumentet .
“Nëse doni të zbuloni historinë para Krishtit dhe
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Post by Arbëri » Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:44 am

Deri para 10 vitesh keshtu ju falemnderonin Titos politikanet Sllave :
(Perkthimi ne anglishte poshte )



Kjo eshte me se e vertet , qe edhe vete thuan ata , prandaj edhe permendoret te Titos jane gjithandej ne Maqedoni :)
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Post by Arbëri » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:47 pm

Mitet e kaluara janë një udhëzues i keq për të ardhmen e Maqedonise
Ulf Brunnbauer
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"Shkencëtarët nga Evropa që ndjekin flirtin me Maqedoninë e lashtë shohim atë në drejtim qesharak dhe me keqardhje "

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thotë Ulf Brunbauer, historian gjerman.

Per gazeten Sllavo Maqedonase"UTRINSKI", Ulf Brunnbauer flet per fallsifikimet qesharake qe i ben shteti dhe historianet Sllave , njekohesishte i cek edhe shqiptaret duke tentuar Sllavet e maqedonise me argumente genjeshtare dhe qesharake me te vetmin qellim per t'ia mohuar autoktonin shqiptareve .
Historiani Gjerman ne kete interviste gjithashtu argumenton qe Sllavo Maqedonasit jane Bullgar !


Per me shume (pa perkthim ) http://utrinski.com.mk/default.asp?Item ... 513CAA614E
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Post by Mallakastrioti » Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:09 pm

Zeus10 wrote:Jo vetem "maqedonasit", por dhe serbet jane te prejardhur gjuhesisht nga bullgaret, gjuha e tyre eshte thjesht nje zhvillimi lokal i Church Sllavonic(Bullgarishtja e hershme).

Eshte nje element etnik (rracor) qe shume here punon ne heshtje, Dime shume mire per cilet flasim, por bejme shurdhmemecin dhe kerkojme ta anashkalojme. Ndoshta ka ardhur koha te tregojme me gisht qe nje rrace ardhacake (arumune) ka sjell disi nje paqartesi ne etnite-rracat ballkanike....
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