"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

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ALBPelasgian wrote:
Zeus10 wrote:Une do te tregoj vetem dy fjale perkatesisht ne "maqedonishten e vjeter" dhe "greqishten e vjeter"

κεβαλή (kebalē) ---> Maqedonisht
κεφαλή (kephalē) ('head').----> Greqisht
Zeus, ke ndonje reference, qe fjala perkatese eshte e fjalorit te maqedonishtes se lashte. Nese po, ma trego referencen ose burimin.

E kerkoj, burimin referencen, jo pse nuk pajtohem me zberthimin e tij shqip, por per ta permendur ne studimin tim per Maqedonine. Me nevojitet, pra, konteksi i kesaj fjale, ku eshte gjetur ose eshte perdorur ne maqedonishten e vjeter!?
Por ajo qe vertet me ben mua pak dyshues per vertetesine e teksteve greke, eshte paraqitja e fjaleve ne to njesoj si ne greqishten moderne ose variantet e raskapitura paraardhese te saj, si psh ky pasazh i Iliades.

πρῶτος δ᾽ Ἀντίλοχος Τρώων ἕλεν ἄνδρα κορυστὴν
ἐσθλὸν ἐνὶ προμάχοισι Θαλυσιάδην Ἐχέπωλον:
τόν ῥ᾽ ἔβαλε πρῶτος κόρυθος φάλον ἱπποδασείης,
ἐν δὲ μετώπῳ πῆξε, πέρησε δ᾽ ἄρ᾽ ὀστέον εἴσω
αἰχμὴ χαλκείη: τὸν δὲ σκότος ὄσσε κάλυψεν,
ἤριπε δ᾽ ὡς ὅτε πύργος ἐνὶ κρατερῇ ὑσμίνῃ.
τὸν δὲ πεσόντα ποδῶν ἔλαβε κρείων Ἐλεφήνωρ
Χαλκωδοντιάδης μεγαθύμων ἀρχὸς Ἀβάντων,
ἕλκε δ᾽ ὑπ᾽ ἐκ βελέων, λελιημένος ὄφρα τάχιστα
τεύχεα συλήσειε: μίνυνθα δέ οἱ γένεθ᾽ ὁρμή.
νεκρὸν γὰρ ἐρύοντα ἰδὼν μεγάθυμος Ἀγήνωρ
πλευρά, τά οἱ κύψαντι παρ᾽ ἀσπίδος ἐξεφαάνθη,
οὔτησε ξυστῷ χαλκήρεϊ, λῦσε δὲ γυῖα.
ὣς τὸν μὲν λίπε θυμός, ἐπ᾽ αὐτῷ δ᾽ ἔργον ἐτύχθη
ἀργαλέον Τρώων καὶ Ἀχαιῶν: οἳ δὲ λύκοι ὣς
ἀλλήλοις ἐπόρουσαν, ἀνὴρ δ᾽ ἄνδρ᾽ ἐδνοπάλιζεν.

A thua vertete μετώπῳ na qenka ne fjalorin e Homerit ku rrenja e saj eshte top qe ne anglisht tregon fillimin, majen, kreun apo ballin ashtu sic eshte pozicioni i tij ne trup? Dyshoj shume per kete.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
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Re: Shqipja e vjeter

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Zeus10 wrote:
ALBPelasgian wrote:
Zeus10 wrote:Une do te tregoj vetem dy fjale perkatesisht ne "maqedonishten e vjeter" dhe "greqishten e vjeter"

κεβαλή (kebalē) ---> Maqedonisht
κεφαλή (kephalē) ('head').----> Greqisht
Zeus, ke ndonje reference, qe fjala perkatese eshte e fjalorit te maqedonishtes se lashte. Nese po, ma trego referencen ose burimin.

E kerkoj, burimin referencen, jo pse nuk pajtohem me zberthimin e tij shqip, por per ta permendur ne studimin tim per Maqedonine. Me nevojitet, pra, konteksi i kesaj fjale, ku eshte gjetur ose eshte perdorur ne maqedonishten e vjeter!?
Kjo eshte marre prej librit te Aristofanit , "Zogjte":

In Aristophanes' The Birds, the form κεβλήπυρις keblēpyris ('red-cap bird') is found, showing a Macedonian-style voiced stop in place of a standard Greek unvoiced aspirate: κεβ(α)λή keb(a)lē versus κεφαλή kephalē ('head').

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... irect=true
Une nuk marr shume vesh por κεβλήπυρις nuk me duket si qeballe. Ndoshta jam gabim.
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kri-kryeja=koka
ke bale-ke balle=kryeja=koka.
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Doja te sillja kete dokument qe e mora nga grupi i krijuar per Arvanitet, i sjell prej Adriano Xhafaj!

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Dokument tou 10-tou eona p.k
Dokument i shekullit te 10-te p.k
Fragment nga brezi i 7-te i mumies se Zagrebit qe ndodhet tashme ne Egjipt .Nga greket quhet mumia e Al-kmenes qe eshte nena e I-RAKI-LLIUT
To evdhomio kaifalio tou engrafou tis moumias (Zagreb) pou tora vriskete sto Egjipto.Al-Kmena ,mitera tou I-RAKI- LLIUT (RAKI-LLIS).

NIKO STILLO Historia e shenjtee Arvaniteve
NIKO STILLO Yera istoria ton Arvaniton

Ky dokument perkthehet me Gjuhen Shqipe dhe verteton se shqiptaret kishin te shkruaren e tyre shume me heret nga greket .Gjendet ne Egjipt .

sta elenika (greqisht)
Touto to dokoument metafrazete me tin ALVANIKI-ARVANITIKI Gllosa kai apodhikni oti i engrapti gllosa ton Alvanon- Arvaniton itan poli arxeotera tis eleniki graptis pou arxize argotera 600-700 xronjia .Vriskete sto Egjipto . Einai ena apo 16 selidhes .Niko Stillo ...Yera istoria ton arvaniton .

Oi Jonidhes-elines antigrafane to politismo ton albanon-arbaniton pou to ixane kai dhikotous poliismo ,epidhi tote pellasgos,illirios kai elinas apotelousane sxedhion ena ethnos.
Herodoti ..Pos einai dhinaton oi palia katikoi tis Atikis ginonte apo pellasgjoi ginonte elines ?????
Apli apantisi .dhen mporouse na katallavi oti sto kairo tou pellasgjikou politismou eitan ena ethnos .
Gjirizoun oi Jonidhes (elin =elli-in,ellit mas) apo ....dheksia tis Mesopotamias ,dheksia tou potamou Tabariou kai erxonte stin Ati-inë(Athinë) apo Ilektra ....
Pellasgos ....pos mporite na peite oti eistai oi ellit mas stin Siria .....esis exete gini mabroi kai oi gjinekes sas episis (epidhi ixane meni poles aiones sto egjipto kai siria)
alla o arxeos elli-inë eitan melakrinos pros to mabro .

Komati apo to vivlio ``Jera istoria ton arvaniton,,tu megalu kai mi-sizitimenu apo epistimonikis skopimotitas tu Elina NIKO SHTILLO
To vivlio afto ekdhothike apo Printing Press,prishtine.2004.arxika ....argotera sta Tirana

I mumia tu Zagreb tora ine sto Egjipto..To onoma tis ine jia tus Elines Alkmena...mesasta fasha skepasmena tis ixie ena para poli palio, ena engrafo pu IPARXI kai ine DOKUMENT ANAMFIZVITI...pu eksigjisete me tin pellasgjiki kai tin klironomia tis pellasgjikis tin Albaniki Tonizo episis oti i Al-kmena jia tus Elines kai jia tus Albanus itan i MITERA TU I-RAKI-LLI(S)(IRAKLLIS).Tora i eksigjisi me tin ALBANIKI kani ton IRAKLLI-ALBANO aftomato

Epta kefalio
I megali JOA mas jenise//
ton agapito printsipa ton fonozmenon theo//
ton trito klironomo tu ORO//
Mas jenithike i megali JOA//ton agapito printsipisa fonazmenin Pana-gjia//
Aetos agori//
mas jenise i Megali Joa //
tri-mialinen (miallo),tin agapiti principisa ALI-en(Al-kmina)

mas jenise i megali Joa//
ton agapito principa jinomenos Theos//ton dhidhimo evdhomino//
o dhefteros evdhominos,agapito trimiallo//
kratai tin dikearxia

I vasilisa tu Vuketiu(Katanik) Alie//ekane to dheftero spidi tin S`iria//ezise dheksia tu Tavariu//
ekane ton vasila me anakustiko varos//tis megalis jenias benontas tis Mesopotamias//
11-Principas(Agjinori) tis megalis jenias pu komatiaze tin Siria
12 -Tiseu
13 -Agjinori
14 -Ki-liku
15 -Kafituesi,o piastis tu vujdhi(dhefteros Kronis)
16 -Aisna ponirisa(Ilektra) jinomeni Panagjia pu
EFERE TUS JONEUS STIN ATHINA

Pios efere tus JONEUS stin Athina ???
Aisna-Ilektra i Alvanidha Vasilisa ,efere tous ELINES (Joneous, jonidhes ) stin Athina
I kirioteri theoria proelebsis ton elinon ley oti eimaste Jioneoi,Jonidhes .
Oi Joneoi omos einai .....arxeoi , ALBANOI - ARBANITES ,Pellasgji diladhi
Kai Athin= Ati-in ,sta arvanitika= patera , Baba -mas
Ati-ki = sta arvanitika = toutos(ki) o babas edho mpenoun oi gllosollogjikes mou meletes
O Elinas prin na einai Elinas eitan .......ALBANOS ,oxi Arvanitis
Elinas = Elli-in (sta alvanika ellit-mas ) diladhi i ellit ton Albanon sti Siria.
Kai kati alo o Ram-Shesho (ram-ses) , o Ram-msusi (ram-sus) tha pei Shesho -ishopedhosi , epidhi ishopedhose tin Afriki (Fara-JON ,diladhi JONIS Alvanos, kai Elinas )
Amoun prepi am-in diladhi oi Fara-jonidhes itan AM-IN , mitera (am) in (dhikimas)
Ara o Alvanos Figurari 25 aiones prin kristu ,eno to aima mas oi elines 1500-1800 xronjia argotera .....pola ala
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me e paster edhe me e afert me shqipen e sotme eshte pjesa e IV e mumjes se Zagrebit
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