"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

Origjina e emrit te Detit Jon.

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Nga te gjitha toponimet, hidronimet dhe ne pergjithesi nga te gjithe emrat e vendeve me rendesi, emri i Detit Jon terheq me shume vemendjen. Ai njihet ne hartat nderkombetare me emrin Ionian Sea, qe eshte emri ne gjuhen angleze:

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Ai eshte nje prej deteve te rendesishem qe jane pjese e Detit Mesdhe:

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Ne cdo gjuhe ai shprehet dhe shkruhet paksa ndryshe. Psh ne gjuhen frenge:

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kurse nga gjuhet e vendeve qe rrethojne ate det, kemi ne italisht:

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ne greqisht

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dhe ne shqip

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Emri i ketij deti, eshte provuar te mos kete ndryshuar qe nga lashtesia, per te pakten 2000 vjetet e fundit. Shume tekste, ndermjet te cilave dhe ato te gjeografit Strabon vertetojne egzistencen e ketij emri, perbri territoreve te banuara prej popullsive te asaj kohe.

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Rrenja e fjales, pavaresisht nga gjuha eshte JON(ION), dhe e vetmja gjuhe qe e bart ate pa shtesa eshte vetem shqipja:

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ne fakt shqipja eshte e vetmja gjuhe ne te cilen kjo fjale ka kuptim:

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dhe Deti Jon do te thote OUR SEA. Ky eshte emri i detit qe permend Straboni dhe qe ka ardhur i pandryshuar deri ne ditet tona:
τὸ μὲν οὖν στόμα κοινὸν ἀμφοῖν ἐστι, διαφέρει δὲ ὁ Ἰόνιος διότι τοῦ πρώτου μέρους τῆς θαλάττης ταύτης ὄνομα τοῦτ' ἐστίν, ὁ δ' Ἀδρίας τῆς ἐντὸς μέχρι τοῦ μυχοῦ, νυνὶ δὲ καὶ τῆς συμπάσηςNow the mouth is common to both, but the Ionian is different in that it is the name of the first part of this sea, whereas Adrias is the name of the inside part of the sea as far as the recess; at the present time, however, Adrias is also the name of the sea as a whole.
Fakti qe ky emer ka egzistuar ne lashtesi, duke i dhene dhe emrin Gjirit:
Βυλλιακὴ καὶ Ὠρικὸν καὶ τὸ ἐπίνειον αὐτοῦ ὁ Πάνορμος καὶ τὰ Κεραύνια ὄρη, ἡ ἀρχὴ τοῦ στόματος τοῦ Ἰονίου κόλπου καὶ τοῦ ἈδρίουAfter Apollonia comes Bylliaca, and Oricum and its seaport Panormus, and the Ceraunian Mountains, where the mouth of the Ionian Gulf and the Adrias begins.


tregon qe ky emer kishte kuptim per popullsine lokale, e cila e vendosi ate dhe ky kuptim eshte pikerisht ai qe ka ne shqip sot Deti Jon, i joni, yni etj. Kete hipoteze e konfirmon dhe fakti qe latinet e quanin Detin Mesdhe, qe i pothuajse i barazvlefshem per nga pozita gjeografike me Detin Jon si MARE NOSTRUM qe do te thote Deti Jone:

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Me kalimin e kohes ky emertim u zhduk dhe mbijetoi emertimi origjinal, ai i popullsise autoktone, qe e ka therritur kete det qe nga koherat e harruara si Deti Jon, dhe ky det eshte i Joni ashti si toka e Epirit qe qendron SIPER(eper) tij.
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diku kam lexuar per nje det afer italis qe ka po te njejten emertim vecse ne italisht ..ate pakten e quanin "deti yne".kjo forem verteton vete emrin pellazgjik "deti yne=deti jone".
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A barbarian king of the region, Epidamnus by name, built a city on the sea-coast and named it after himself. Dyrrachus, the son of his daughter and of Neptune (as is supposed), added a dockyard to it which he named Dyrrachium. When the brothers of this Dyrrachus made war against him, Hercules, who was returning from Erythrea, formed an alliance with him for a part of his territory; wherefore the men of Dyrrachium claim Hercules as their founder because he had a share of their land, not that they repudiate Dyrrachus, but because they pride themselves on Hercules even more as a god. In the battle which took place it is said that Hercules killed Ionius, the son of Dyrrachus, by mistake, and that after raising a barrow he threw the body into the sea in order that it might bear his name. At a later p301period the Briges, returning from Phrygia, took possession of the city and the surrounding country. They were supplanted by the Taulantii, an Illyrian tribe, who were displaced in their turn by the Liburnians, another Illyrian tribe, who were in the habit of making piratical expeditions against their neighbours with very swift ships. Hence the Romans call swift ships Liburnians because these were the first ones they came in conflict with. The people who had been expelled from Dyrrachium by the Liburnians procured the aid of the Corcyreans, who then ruled the sea, and drove out the Liburnians. The Corcyreans mingled their own colonists with them and thus it came to be considered a Greek port; but the Corcyreans changed its name, because they considered it unpropitious, and called it Epidamnus from the town just above it, and Thucydides gives it that name also. Nevertheless, the former name prevailed finally and it is now called Dyrrachium.

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Në këtë rast historia e eponimit të detit Jon është shpjeguar si mos më mirë prej Apianit:

1) Epidami cilësohet Barbar
2) Dyrrahu është bir i Neptunit etrusk ose Poseidonit pellazgjik
3) Popullata e Dyrrahut e quante vetën pinjolle të Herakliut, jo pse ishte në të vërtetë, por për shkak se fitonte prestigj nën emrin e një përendie kaq të famshëm në botën e atëhershme. Kjo mund t'shpjegohet pjesërisht edhe nga shpikja e gjenalogjive heraklidiane nga ana e oborrit mbretëror maqedonas.
4) Joni është biri i Dyrrahut.
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The name of the Ionian Sea is from Ionus. Ionius was the son of King Adrias of Illyria who gave his name to the Adriatic Sea.
Ionius was also said to have been a son of Dyrrhachus of the town of Dyrrhachium. When Dyrrhachus was attacked by his own brothers, Heracles, who was passing through the country, came to his aid, but in the fight the hero killed his ally's son by mistake. The corpse was cast into the sea, which thereafter was called the Ionian sea.
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Originally, the sea was known in Latin as Mare Superum. Later, it was replaced by Mare (H)Adriaticum. The name, derived from the Etruscan colony of Adria (or Hadria), originally designated only the upper portion of the sea (Herodotus vi. 127, vii. 20, ix. 92; Euripides, Hippolytus, 736), but was gradually extended as the Syracusan colonies gained in importance. The name Adria derives from the Illyrian word adur meaning "water" or "sea".[2]

Adrian Room, "Brewer's Dictionary of Names", p.7.

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But Theopompus says that it was really named after Ionius, a man from Illyria, while Archi- damus argues that it got its name from the Ionians who died trying to cross it.
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Në këtë rast shfrytëzoj të pyes a ka gjasa që deti Jon të ketë ndonjë lidhje edhe me Jonët pellazgjik, siç sugjeron ky dijetari i mësipërm?
Padyshim qe ka. Vete Ionianet quheshin Pellazget e Bregut te Detit(pra te detit Jon) prej nga morren dhe emrin, kur ata banonin prane tij.
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