Re: Fisi ilir i Abr-eve dhe emri Arberi.
Strokulli wrote:I don't remember where I found those paragraphs, but as you can see arbanor the primary sources there, about some "Caucaus" mountain in Southeastern Europe, are thearberor wrote:i will really be thankful if some of you gave me the links of theses sourcesZeus10 wrote:Strokulli, ky eshte nje studim shume interesant. Nese autoret e lashte, i referohen me Kaukaz maleve te Ballkanit Perendimor, atehere kjo do ti barazonte Albanine e Ballkanit me ate te Kaukazit ne nje. Tani duhet te shikojme me vemendje, çfare perfaqsojne keto prurjet "e lashta", informacion te besueshem apo jane falsifikime per te keqdrejtuar historine.Strokulli wrote:Ku ishte ''Καύκασος'' i parë i shkrimtarëve elenik?Strokulli wrote:Per muo, «Albania» që dellë në Kaukaz ndër disa harta të vjetra, munt te jete se deften qe gjith Europa Juglindore, për Ptolomeun e disa te tjere?, të jetë vënë në Kaukaz (mbë letër?), se atje gjendet edhe Serbia edhe Athina, etj. ne Kaukaz, tue u perzien ashtu edhe emnat e viseve te verteta te nierezve atje?? Jo qellimisht mendonj, por prej se kthyemit se perapsht te hartave ndoshta??.. Kem gjëtun disa dëshminj të Strabonit, Prokopit te Çezaresë, Eskilit, armenit Ananias Shirakatsi (qe thosht, ne mos gabohem, se Kaukazi - i pare i shkrimtareve elen?? - ishte ne Vardar?! - disa te tjere edhe per nje Kaukaz ne Kostantinopol, ne lidhje me rrefimin e ''Prometeut'??) e t.j. që e përojnë kët mëndim. Munt të doket e randë, por munt te jete se janë banë edhe ndryshime dheografike (mbë letër?)..
''Where was the old Caucasus? The surprising answer to this question is a classic antique Aeschylus. According to him, Prometheus advised transformed into a cow goddess Io go, from the Ionian Gulf to the east, to the nomadic Scythians, but not reach them, and continue to the sea. When he reached the river Hibrista, Io was to get around to it, going to the Caucasus, and then go down to the south. So she had to walk to the Cimmerian cape, which is wedged into a narrow sea channel. There she had to go boldly Meotidsky channel and get to Asia. According to the prediction of Prometheus, the path Io had to make an impression on people and keep them in mind as the name of the Bosphorus (the way of the cow). -- This story clearly puts the Caucasus near the Maritsa river, on the way from the Ionian Gulf to the Bosphorus. Attempts to interpret the Caucasus as a modern Mount Caucasus is obviously absurd.
But one could argue that perhaps the words of Aeschylus does not reflect the views of his day for a very simple reason: he simply made a mistake. After all, could it be that Aeschylus made a mistake, excusable for a poet, maybe he did not know the "geography of his day." In this case, however, it is difficult to imagine that such a mistake would have remained uncorrected in so famous (in ancient times) work. However, it does not matter. What is important is that for centuries after Aeschylus cultured people looked at the stage and read his "Prometheus," and from there they learned that there is a mountain in the Balkans, the Caucasus, near the Maritsa river, on the way from the Ionian Gulf to the Bosphorus. Apparently, as a result, for many of them was in the Balkans, the Caucasus, and it is a point of view found in other extant retelling of the myth of Io.
We want to draw attention to the fact that the old writers, that our information about Scythia and Scythians. So Jordanes (historian of the 6th century) wrote that the Scythians or Scythia borders the land of the Albanians. Strabo (1st century BC and then c.) writes that the Caucasus Mountains, where they lived the Scythians, advocating land of Albanians (HI. IV.1). When traveling from Brindisi in Epidamn (Dyrrachium), leads to the Caucasus Mountains or Kerauniya(?). Armenian geographer Ananias Shirakatsi wrote that Vardanes or Vardar river springs from the Caucasus Mountains. Old authors therefore under the geographical concept Caucasus Mountains not understand, we call it, but one of the Dinaric mountain range, located in the western part of the Balkan Peninsula.
Herodotus, who has left us the oldest information about Hidden and Scythians also indicates the Balkans, Thrace, and Scythia. The campaign against the Persians in the Caucasus mountains of Scythia, were not directed to southern Russia, to Macedonia, Prespa Lake and the land of Buddhists or City Water. The most important rivers Likos (Lycos) and Var (War, Wardar), labeled by him as Scythian rivers. He writes that four of the Scythian rivers Likos, Vardar Tanais (Black) and Irgis (Virgis, Bregalnitsa) flowing along the lake Meotis.
From the above sources of Herodotus understood that the main Likos river flows near the River Vardar, therefore Troy was located in Thrace, and not in Asia, as wrongly stated. These facts give us the basis for a proper understanding of the ancient history of the Balkan peoples, as we will see later.
Returning to the Caucasus, where they lived the Scythians, it is seen that the Caucasus is not Asian but an Illyrian mountain. Strabo (I century BC) identified Kerauniya Caucasus Mountains in present-day Albania and Macedonia (VII, VI, 1; XI, V, 1; XI, IV, 1). Strabo writes: '''μέχρι τοϋ Καυκάσου Ιβήρων και Αλβανών, Σαυρομαται, και Σκΰθαι, και Αχαιοί'.''
"In the Caucasus and Albanians live Iberia, Sarmatians, Scythians, and the Achaeans." This inevitably means that the Caucasus Mountains, home to the Scythians is close to Albania and Achaia (Greece).
This same look and find in Procopius of Cesarea, author of important historical works of old, is a unique source of the events of antiquity. He wrote: "Some of the branches of the Caucasian mountains turned to the north and west, and reach up to (land) Illyrians and Thracians...". - And Illyria and Thrace were on the Balkan Peninsula.
''Latin Caucasus, from Greek Καύκασος, said by Pliny ("Natural History," book six, chap. XVII) to be from a Scythian word similar to kroy-khasis, literally "(the mountain) ice-shining, white with snow." (?..)
Prometheus Bound of Aeschylus, Geography of Strabo, some writings of Procopius of Cesarea and some of the armenian geographer Ananias of Shirak.
Ndërkaq, duo me shtuo se ashtë edhe një të jatër Kaukas ("Caucasii montes") që gjendet ndë hartat e Ptolomeut, në lindje të detit Kaspik dhe në veri të Indisë:
Tabula Asiae VII, S.Munster's Ptolemaic map, 1542
Bardus, ndë kët hartë mesjetare të vjetës 1598, shum kilometra sipër Albanisë s'onë por poshtë lumit të Danubit, gjënden malet keraunike (me të njëjtin emën si ata në Arbër të Poshtëm) dhe pas tyne "CAUCASII SCOPIDI" (?) -- që përputhet edhe me ata që thotë Straboni për «malet keraunike = ose "Kaukasi"» (?):bardus wrote:Nuk eshte hera e pare qe shoh se varri i Kadmit dhe Harmonias gjendet ne zonen e Shkodres ose Ulqinit.
"Historitë e vjetra" kanë motet, gjeografinë dhe emnat shum të pshtjella;
mirë se të ndodhunat që rrëfehen janë, e madhe pjesë, të verteta.
Disa dokumente mesjetare, ato autentike, na ndifnjënë me i shtjellë disa punë.