"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

Ilire, Maqedone dhe Helene.

Këtu mund të flisni mbi historinë tonë duke sjellë fakte historike për ndriçimin e asaj pjese të historisë mbi të cilen ka rënë harresa e kohës dhe e njerëzve.
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Mallakastrioti wrote:
Socio wrote:
Zeus10 wrote:
ALBPelasgian wrote:Ketu eshte nje material i nje historiani neo-bizantin. Jo per tjeter gje e solla, por vec per te verifikue kultin e dhise:

.............................. he gave Edessa the name of Aegae (goats).

Ka shume mundesi qe vete emri Edhesa (Έδεσσα) te shprehi pikerisht qyetin kushtuar dhisë( e dhisë dhe jo edese),( ε-ja ne mes te dy bashketingelloreve lexohet i) aq me teper qe per kete qytet shume dijetare kane gjetur prova qe ai kaqene nje qytet ilir:

..... it was ascribed an Illyrian origin by Ulrich Wilcken in his biography of Alexander the Great

Edhe une kam te njejtin mendim me kete me larte !


Une mendoj se jo vetem qe qyteti i kushtohet dhise, por ne te vertete i kushtohet DIAS (Zeusit) i cili une mendoj ishte vete DHIJA. Pra Zeusi ishte vete DHIJA ...


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Por tash kam frike se kjo hap nje dere tjeter, dhe ate me kahje teiste ...

Jo nuk do te hyj andej ...

Megjithate, Zeus, deshta te te pyes se a sheh lidheshmeri gjuhesore ti mes :

Zeusit, DIAS, DHISE, dhe DIALLIT (DHIJALLIT) ?


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Per mendimin tim Socio eshte e njejta gje...merr edhe kultin e gjarperit ne mes e ta shohesh qe do arrish tek e njejta pike,pasi gjarperi ka simbolizuar Zeus e Hades (te Ferrit)...mjafton te shohesh monedhat dhe kulti i gjarperit nder shqiptar deri sot...


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A history of Greece; (1892)


Author: Duruy, Victor, 1811-1894
Volume: 4
Subject: Greece -- History

Gjarperi ka personifikuar Zeus Hades
Ja edhe tre miqte tane te lashte(se mos kujtoni se kish vetem nje Zeus ne lashtesi)...edhe me Plis(qeleshe) biles :)


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Ai Zeus Hades ( i dyti) me duket se mban nje gjarper ne doren e majte apo jo :P
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Socio wrote:
Zeus10 wrote:
ALBPelasgian wrote:Ketu eshte nje material i nje historiani neo-bizantin. Jo per tjeter gje e solla, por vec per te verifikue kultin e dhise:

.............................. he gave Edessa the name of Aegae (goats).

Ka shume mundesi qe vete emri Edhesa (Έδεσσα) te shprehi pikerisht qyetin kushtuar dhisë( e dhisë dhe jo edese),( ε-ja ne mes te dy bashketingelloreve lexohet i) aq me teper qe per kete qytet shume dijetare kane gjetur prova qe ai kaqene nje qytet ilir:

..... it was ascribed an Illyrian origin by Ulrich Wilcken in his biography of Alexander the Great

Edhe une kam te njejtin mendim me kete me larte !


Une mendoj se jo vetem qe qyteti i kushtohet dhise, por ne te vertete i kushtohet DIAS (Zeusit) i cili une mendoj ishte vete DHIJA. Pra Zeusi ishte vete DHIJA ...


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Zeus Ammon: bronze version of classical marble sculpture
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Por tash kam frike se kjo hap nje dere tjeter, dhe ate me kahje teiste ...

Jo nuk do te hyj andej ...

Megjithate, Zeus, deshta te te pyes se a sheh lidheshmeri gjuhesore ti mes :

Zeusit, DIAS, DHISE, dhe DIALLIT (DHIJALLIT) ?


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Socio ne qoft se e shikon me vemendje do shofish se fotoja e pare ka bri DASHI kurse e dyta bri DHIE.
Mendimi im eshte se ketu ka nje karakter te horoskopit dhe astrologjise, kam pare nje emision per keto gjera, ka shume gjera interesante, dhe popujt e vjeter, sidomos ata te antikes dhe para saje e kane perdorur shume horoskopin.
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Socio wrote:
Une mendoj se jo vetem qe qyteti i kushtohet dhise, por ne te vertete i kushtohet DIAS (Zeusit) i cili une mendoj ishte vete DHIJA. Pra Zeusi ishte vete DHIJA ...
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Zeus Ammon: bronze version of classical marble sculpture
Liverpool Museum


Por tash kam frike se kjo hap nje dere tjeter, dhe ate me kahje teiste ...

Jo nuk do te hyj andej ...

Megjithate, Zeus, deshta te te pyes se a sheh lidheshmeri gjuhesore ti mes :

Zeusit, DIAS, DHISE, dhe DIALLIT (DHIJALLIT) ?


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Po lidhja eshte jo vetem gjuhesore por dhe kuptimore.Per kulturen e re Kristiane zhdukja e cdo gjurme te qyteterimit te vjeter pellazgjik eshte nje mision. Jo rastesisht ata e paraqesin DIA-n(Zeusin) si di-all. Ai ka qene nje perendi e besimit te lire jo e fanatizmit dhe instrument per trushplareje masive dhe mbajtje nen kontroll te njerezimit. Po, prej DI-a ka lindur fjala Di-all, ai eshte armik i 'World Order' te ri, sepse ai do clironte njerezimin nga hipnoza fetare.
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Mire, faleminderit Zeus !

Nese DhIA eshte vete DIAs (Zeusi) dhe DIAlli dhe DIelli perseri personifikojne Zeusin, atehere, figura e kokes se DhISE ne perkrenaren e Skenderbeut reprezenton po kete DIAS /DIAll-in (Zeusin)

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Kjo eshte shume domethenese sepse keto vlera pagane qe i mbante Skenderbeu nuk perkojne me mendimin e shume njerezve qe paraqesin Skenderbeun vetem si te krishtere !


Me DIA-llin ne koke dhe ''mbrojtes i Krishterizmit'' ... !!!


Absurde !!







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Me DIA-llin ne koke dhe ''mbrojtes i Krishterizmit'' ... !!!


Absurde !!
Fete e reja monoteiste jane vetem vazhdimesi te atyre me te vjetra, por jane me ortodokse, me fanatike, dhe me te paskrupullta. Manastiret dhe kishat ortodokse jane ndertuar mbi tempujt e besimit te vjeter, dhe mohimi nuk ka qene vetem fizik por dhe shpirteror. Satanizimi i Dias, i sherbente procesit ne momentin e formimit te shteteve-kombe me baza fetare dhe nuk ka qene nje proces qe me lindjen e Kristianizmit. Ne kete proces nje kontribut te shquar kane dhene dhe çifutet, krijuesit e feve moderne me zot te pakonceptueshem, qe duke dashur te vendosin Zotin e tyre ne piedestal, ju eshte dashur mohimi i me te hershemve qe ka qene nje besim teresisht natyral dhe larg obskurantizmit te feve moderne.
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Socio wrote:Mire, faleminderit Zeus !

Nese DhIA eshte vete DIAs (Zeusi) dhe DIAlli dhe DIelli perseri personifikojne Zeusin, atehere, figura e kokes se DhISE ne perkrenaren e Skenderbeut reprezenton po kete DIAS /DIAll-in (Zeusin)

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Kjo eshte shume domethenese sepse keto vlera pagane qe i mbante Skenderbeu nuk perkojne me mendimin e shume njerezve qe paraqesin Skenderbeun vetem si te krishtere !


Me DIA-llin ne koke dhe ''mbrojtes i Krishterizmit'' ... !!!


Absurde !!







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bravo socio

edhe jo vetem , pasi pervec kokores se me brinjet florinjet te dhis edhe me legjenden e njohur te Amelthit qe rriti Divin, kemi edhe vulen sekrete te Gj Kastriotit me Divin mjelem edhe leden e epirit...gje qe ashtu sic na thote pellazgologu yne me i madhi i ditve tone-dhimiter pilika- populli yne i ka trashiguar simbolet edhe traditat brez pas brezi nga pellazget tek shqiptaret.
Ndoshta ndonje mikut time nuk i vjen mire kur une perdore shpesh gjuhe te ashper per ata te flliqur qe godasin rilindasit edhe mbi te gjitha krenarin tone kombetare....vecse ler te mos harrojm se sulmi mbi gj kastriotin nuk eshte aspak sulem gallatash fanatike fetare, por eshte sulem i organizuar mbi prejardhjen tone pellazge...sepse shume bukuroshave dijetare edhe politikan shqiptare, nuk ju pelqen aspak qe ne kemi prejardhje te drejtperdrejt nga autoktonet edhe ne truajet tona=pellazget...nuk e duan shqiptarin autokton, por e duan vlleh-rumun-serb-greke ndaj edhe sulmojn krenarin tone kombetare..rilindasit edhe gjergj kastriotin qe ishte keshtjella qe me simbolet e veta i tregon historis se cilet jane autoktonet e vetem pellazge ne ballakan

per eteokretanet kam folur shpesh ne forum, biles kam sjelle edhe nje mbishkrim etokretan nga Preso te botuar per here te pare nga iakovo thomopulo 1912..SI NGAL MITEN OSI VARSIA SHTU...........

mbishkrimi me sa me kujtohet permendet edhe nga mbesa e e plakut te vlores si mbishkrim shqip , ashtu si edhe nga robert de angeli.....jane ato "dokumentet" sllavomaqedonase qe sote perdorin sllavet qe te vertetojn se ka patur popull tjeter para grekve...gje qe shkences bordelloshqiptare nuk i intereson.

Vreni me poshte nje monedh nga me brinjet e dhis -Amalthi=qumshti ne dialektin verior- e cila eshte prere ne Preso ne vitet 400-200 p e s...ja si lidhen simbolet nder autoktonet.

http://pantheon.20m.com/trofithewn.htm

ne figuren e pare shfaqen banoret e fshatit Kurrites rreze malit Ida-sote Psiloriti..miti i njohur qe Kuritet ju bunin organeve te ndryeshme duke bere zhurem te mos degjohet qarja e Zeusit nga Kuroni..ne figuren e dyte shfaqet ajo qe shkruajta me larte per brinjet e dhis ..nga Preso e eteokretanve autokton
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ja edhe vula sekrete e Gj Kastriotit me Divin mjelem edhe Leden e Epirit..te jemen e Elenes se Trojes
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Rreth besimeve popullore:

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Author: Abbott, G. F. (George Frederick)
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Unë mendoj se është koha për ta kthyer tabelat e ideologjisë raciste në "Grekët moderne". Duke parë se si ata janë të një shoqërie tejet raciste ..

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The Encyclopædia britannica: a dictionary of arts, sciences ..., Volume 1 Pg. 483 By Hugh Chisholm
The Albanians are apparently the most ancient race in southeastern Europe History and legend afford no record of their arrival in the Balkan Peninsula They are probably the descendants of the earliest Aryan immigrants who were represented in historical times by the kindred Illyrians Macedonians and Epirots the Macedonians and Epirots are believed by Hahn to have formed the core of the pre HeQenic Tyrrheno Pelasgian population which inhabited the southern portion of the peninsula and extended its limits to Thrace and Italy The Illyrians were also Pelasgian but in a wider sense Of these cognate races which are described by the Greek writers as barbarous or non Hellenic the Illyrians and Epirots he thinks were respectively the progenitors of the Ckegt or northern and the Tusks or southern Albanians The Via Egnatia which Strabo vii fragment 3 describes as forming the boundary between the Illyrians and Epirots practically corresponds with the course of the Shkumb which now separates the Ghegs and the Tosks The same geographer v 1.211 states that the Epirots were also called Pelasgians the Pelasgian Zeus was worshipped at Dodona Homer xvi 234 and the neighbourhood of the sanctuary was called Pclasgia Herodotus ii 56 The meaning of the term Pelasgian is however too obscure to furnish a basis for ethnographical speculation in the time of Herodotus it may have already come to denote a period rather than a race The name Task is possibly identical with Tuscut Etruseus while the form Tyrrhene perhaps survives in Tirana The large number of Slavonic local names in Albania even in districts where no trace of a Slavonic population exists bean witness to the extensive Servian and Bulgarian immigrations in the early middle ages but the original inhabitants gradually ousted or assimilated the invaders The determination with which this remarkable race has maintained its mountain stronghold through a long series of ages has hitherto met with scant appreciation in the outside world While the heroism of the Montenegrins has been lauded by writers of all countries the Albanians if we except Byron's eulogy of the Suloits still remain unsung Not less noticeable is the tenacity with which isolated fragments of the nation have preserved theirpeculiar characteristics language customs and traditions The Albanians in Greece and Italy though separated for six centuries from the parent stock have not yet been absorbed by the surrounding populations
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M. BLECIC: The diverse meanings of Illyrian helmets


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Hmmm..flasin per simbole si ai i gjarperit apo helmetat ilire,veshjen ilire,mburoja maqedonase qe iliret dhe maqedonasit kishin te njejta ....po ai SIMBOL I SHQIPONJES aty ne rreth????...perse nuk permendet asgje rreth atij simboli?
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Ketu kemi nje helmete Ilire (per figuren e kafshes gdhendur mbi te,nuk besoj te jete DHI-ja)(...simboli i DHISE?)

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