"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

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Orbis Seraphicus. Historia de Tribus Ordinibus a Seraphico ...

Dominicus de Gubernatis - 1689

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" ALBANIA AZIATIKE ( E NDRYSHME NGA AJO EUROPEE, ME TE CILEN THIRRET GJITHE EPIRI)

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"Tou en hagiois patros Proklou archiepiskopou Kostantinoupoleos Ta analekta"
Proclus

Nje perkthim i vepres se nje Kryepeshkopi te Konstandinopojes quajtur "Proclus", (Saint Proclus (died July 446 or 447) was an Archbishop of Constantinople. He is venerated as a saint in the Eastern Orthodox Church.)

Libri perkthyer ( dhe analizuar) ne latinisht viti 1630

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"OSE KRAHINA E EPIRIT KU PERFUNDOJNE KUFIJTE E GREQISE, OSE QUAJTUR SHQIPERIA (ALBANIAM)"

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Georgi Horni Arca Noae: sive, Historia imperiorum et regnorum a ...
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"MBRETERIA ILIRE QE PERFSHIN PJESE TE DETIT JON DHE ADRIATIK, KU BEJNE PJESE EPIRI, KORFUZI, DURRESI, FARI"

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"Quintiliani Mandosii ... In regulas Cancellariae Apostolicae ... "

Quintiliano Mandosio - 1584

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"Annales sultanorum Ohtmanidarum, ... "

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Ku shkruan nje te vertet qe kerkohet tu mohoet shqiptareve:

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Guillaume Rouillé - 1581

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"Nous n'apprendrons rien à personne en disant que le mot Epirote signifie Albanais et nullement Hellène."

Perkthimi im:"Nuk kemi me i mësue diç ndokujt nëse themi që fjala Epirot do të thotë Albanez(Shqiptar) dhe assesi Helen."

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Do sjelle dy libra te Mesjetes me pershkrimin e Epirit te Vjeter dhe te Ri dhe te banoreve te tyre te atehershem:
1649 dhe 1684
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Ka autore si ky i meposhtmi, qe e shpallin gjuhen e epiroteve nje gjuhe ilirike. Vete Epiri per te disaten here, konfirmohet nje rajon qe kufizohet me Greqine, cfaredo qe kjo e fundit ka qene:
Thesaurus Pontificarum Sacrarumque Antiquitatum
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Libri i mesiperm eshte nje ribotim i librit:
Bibliotheca apostolica vaticana a Sixto V. Pont. Max. in splendidiorem
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nese moria e librave te mesiperm thote, qe epirotet jane albaneze dhe gjuha e tyre eshte ilirike, kjo automatikisht i ben shqiptaret nje popull ilirik.
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Ketu nuk po sjellim dokumente te qarta si Fjalori latinisht -epirotik,1635 ku Frang Bardhi pa asnje medyshje e shpall epirotishten shqip.
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Kjo teme po perjeton, pas as me te voglin dyshim, prurjet me te jashtezakonshme qe jane sjelle ndonjehere ne faqet arberore te ketij forumi.

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P.S: Dokumentet e mesiperme qe i kane evidentuar Zeusi tok me Mallakastriotin perbejne thesare te verteta sidomos kur thone se gjuha e Epirit eshte gjihe ilirike ("illyrika lingua"). Kjo i trondit perpjekjet e historiografise sllave e greke te cilat trashegimine tone epirote-maqedone, duan ta relatizivojne duke futur ne perdorim faktin sesi ne mesjete, me emrin ilire jane quajtur sllavet e me 'ilirisht' gjuha sllave. Mirepo, prezenca e bashkesive te vjetra ilire (qe buluan) neper tere Epirin dhe gjuhes ilirishte flet me se miri per permbajtjen e ketij termi ne mesjete.
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10,000 Muslim Turks

180,000 Muslim Albanians

25,000 Catholic Albanians

110,000 Orthodox Albanians

20,000 Orthdox Bulgarians

110,000 Orthodox Greeks

180,000 Vlachs

6,000 Jews

7,000 Gypsies.
315.000 shqiptarë rrënjës perbejne shumicen derrmuese te Vilajetit te Janines.
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Vazhdojme me te tjera te dhena...
“...Ottoman officials saw both unit and divisions among Albanian. They referred to them as ‘Albanians’ (Arnavudlar) or “the Albanian people” (Arnavud kavmi), but also used the terms Tosks and Gegs. The Albanian regions were called Arnavudluk, but the designation of Toskalik and Gegalik also ocurred in the documents. Arnavudluk was a geographical designation, and kavim carried the meaning of a pople in an ethnic sense, with kavimiyet meaning ethnicity.

(...) In the 1880s, Yanya province was composed of some 650.000 inhabitants divided among the four sancaks of Yanya, Ergiri, Berat, and Preveze. Orthodox Christians formed a majority of the province’s population, split mainly between Greeks and Albanians, but with pockets of Vlachs living in the province as well. According to some sources, Albanians formed upwards of three-fourths of the Muslim population. Muslims were a majority in the sancaks of Berat and Ergiri, while Christians outnumbered the ther confessions in Yanya and Preveze. Ottoman officials seemed to regard most Orthodox in the province of Yanya as Albanian in ethnicity, even though many of them spoke Greek.

^The crescent and the eagle: Ottoman rule, Islam and the Albanians, 1874-1913 By George Walter Gawrych
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"Primus [secundus, tertius] operum B. Mantuani tomus in quo sunt ..."

Baptista Mantuanus Spagnuoli, Sebastian Murrho, Sebastian Brant - 1513

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Nje nder librat me te hershem ku stradiotet identifikoheshin gjithmone me shqiptaret:

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"...PRA JANE KETA QE NE GJUHE TE THJESHTE THIRREN STRADIOTE: KETA JANE USHTARE SHQIPTAR: FAKTIKISHT PREJ EPIRIT OSE QUAJTUR SHQIPERIA"
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