"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
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Me pare nga : Post Number:#59 http://www.arberiaonline.com/viewtopic. ... e&start=45

Hesychius:Nje interpretim i etnonymit Fenikas mund te nxirret nga cka sjelle Hesychius.κλάρας φοίνιξ κατεφοίνιξας εβαψας ''I painted'' βάψιμος ''to be dyed'', Ketu duket se tek κατεφοίνιξας [ κατε+φοίνιξας] -φοί- eshte fjala boje per te cilen thone se eshte turke!.Kjo fjale gjendet edhe me e paster tek ποικιλία ''marking with various colours, embroidering'' qe ne shqip mund ta perkthejme ''bojelie'' , me ngjyra/bojra, gjithashtu,ποικιλοδίνης whirling in various eddies,ποικιλο+δίνης ,kjo δίνης eshte e njejte me foljen gege dinoj 'perzjej'.κλάρας , [=φοίνιξ ], fjale me parasht. κ`-λάρας ' = LARË f.1. Pullë a shenjë me ngjyrë tjetër nga ngjyra e përgjithshme; LARA-LARA,ne thelb lara eshte ngjyre.Arbereshet e perdorin edhe si ''zog'' dhe perkthimi i emrit te Larises pellazge si ''Vend i Zogjve'' me duket se e ka bere V.Dorsa.Prandaj si perfundim Fenikas φοίνιξ ''Boje-nik'' ,njerez qe lyhen me boje.Ndersa shpendi phoenix ''Laraman,me shume ngjyra''
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Φοινίκιον , χρώμα, 'colour' ''boje'' ; [Sudia]

ποιότης ,χρώμα, 'ngjyre' 'boje' ; [Hesychius]

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Ne shqip nje numer fjalesh si PICAS, PICËRR,PICËRROJ ,PICËRROHEM , PICËRRAK,PICËRRUAR besoj vijne nga fjala PIKË ,dicka e vogel ,qe jep edhe efektin e te picerruarit, te te zvogeluarit ,'mbyll syte' etj.Tek Hesychius eshte dhene nje fjale e Akejve [Αχαιοί ] πίσιρα dhe eshte barazuar me πίτυρα ku πιτυρίς 'small' dicka e vogel dhe πίτυρον 'krunde'.πίσιρα e Akejve futet nen te njejten origjine si ajo e shqipes dhe ajo qe vrehet re ketu eshte se Akejte paten nje σ ne vend te τ se standartit , Aeoliket Dorianet paten te njejten gje ,po ashtu ne pergjithesi θ-ja e greqishtes klasike reflekton ne tingullin σ tek Dorianet dhe Aeoliket ,sikur kemi pare thermoi - siermoi 'zjarm' etj. qe i afron me afer shqipes.Dorianet Ilire kane patur fonemen a te pandryshuar ashtu sic ka qene ne shqipen e vjeter qe akoma perdoret sot vecmas ne gegerishte ,e me vone u nderrua edhe a > e , a > o .
-Fjala tjeter eshte ; πίσυνοι[HSCH.] - πεποιθότε,ς πεπιστευκότες ,ky eshte nje mbiemer qe eshte perkthyer si derivat i foljesπιστεύω 'trust, put faith in' dhe πίσυνοι ne shqip 'i besune,i beses,i besuar,i besum' nga keto, trajta e Kosoves i besune eshte me e aferta prapashtesen mbiemrore te gegerishtes -un e ka perdorur edhe Homeri αἰπὺν 'hapun' qe nganjehere shkruhet edhe me -ων,.
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Tek barazimi i dhene nga Sudia Ήρα Ό άήρ 'ajër' , duket se perendesha Hera eshte e njejte me ajrin dhe identifikohet me Era ne shqip : ERË .1. Rrymë ajri që lëviz në drejtime të ndryshme. 2. bised. Ajër. Shtie (qëlloj) në erë. Fluturoi në erë. Marr erë marr frymë. Ketij barazimi pra, Ήρα Ό άήρ, pa frike i shtoj fjalen e bukur shqipe ERA ,vajza e Rheas[Reja] dhe e Kronit.Une nuk jam i pari qe po e bej kete barazim, por desha te permend informaten e dhene nga Suida qe e kompleton etimologjine e saj. Plutarku ka kohe qe e ka dhene etimologjine e ketij emri , Hera ''ἀήρ'' '' air'' por akoma jepen mendime te tjera qe mundohen ta perafrojne me ndonje fjale tjeter greke.
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bardus wrote:Tek barazimi i dhene nga Sudia Ήρα Ό άήρ 'ajër' , duket se perendesha Hera eshte e njejte me ajrin dhe identifikohet me Era ne shqip : ERË .1. Rrymë ajri që lëviz në drejtime të ndryshme. 2. bised. Ajër. Shtie (qëlloj) në erë. Fluturoi në erë. Marr erë marr frymë. Ketij barazimi pra, Ήρα Ό άήρ, pa frike i shtoj fjalen e bukur shqipe ERA ,vajza e Rheas[Reja] dhe e Kronit.Une nuk jam i pari qe po e bej kete barazim, por desha te permend informaten e dhene nga Suida qe e kompleton etimologjine e saj. Plutarku ka kohe qe e ka dhene etimologjine e ketij emri , Hera ''ἀήρ'' '' air'' por akoma jepen mendime te tjera qe mundohen ta perafrojne me ndonje fjale tjeter greke.
Te gjitha burimet konfirmojne te njejten gje:
Plutarku në: "Isis and Osiris" 32

[col]Ἕλληνες Κρόνον ἀλληγοροῦσι τὸν χρόνον,
Ἥραν δὲ τὸν ἀέρα,
γένεσιν δὲ Ἡφαίστου τὴν εἰς πῦρ ἀέρος μεταβολήν|the Greeks are used to allegorize Kronos into chronos (time),
and Hera into aer (air)
and also to resolve the generation of Vulcan into the change of air into fire,[/col]

Perputhja me shqipen eshte gati e plote dhe kjo nuk eshte nje rastesi.
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Edhe fjala gur nga Suidae :

γρωνη -πέτρα ''gur ''

pas metathezes γρωνη < γωρνη [lexo:gur`nje]

ndersa πέτρα eshte e ardhur nga pershkrimi i gurit petashuq ''rrase guri''.
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Gjetje e vyer kjo, Bardus. Falemnderit!

Sigurisht qe mbase ketu s'eshte vendi i duhur qe te parashtroj nje hipoteze, qe e pata huajtur duke lexuar nje autor bullgar. Eshte fjala per etimologjine e etnonimit 'bullgar'. Ashtu sikunder etnogjeneza e kesaj etnie qe humbet pazgjidhshem ne konfederatat monogole e iraniane te Azise Qendrore, edhe ceshtja e etimologjise eshte po kaq e ngaterruar. Nje nga teorite e mundshme eshte qe bullgaret e moren emrin nga lumi Volga gjate shtegtimit te tyre gradual rreth Detit te Zi (megjithate kunder kesaj flet fakti qe nje fis luftarak me po kete emer shfaqet ne analet kineze e madje edhe ne burimet hinduse). Teoria tjeter eshte qe bullgaret e moren emrin e tyre nga nje lum ne Mezia Inferior (aty ku u perzien me fise sllave).
Bulgar migrations, but either to late Mediaeval immigrations from the Balkans (when the Slavic and Albanian presence was also established or re-established), or to earlier Christian heretics (e.g. in the 12-13th centuries the later were called Bougres in France, from when the English coarsity "bugger" de-rives). There is also a small possibility that some such toponyms in Italy may come from the Albanian word bulgër or bujgër, denoting a type of plant.

http://www.kroraina.com/fadlan/e_hersak.html
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  Bulgër, emer vendi ne Mirdite e ne Shestan jo ''bullgar'', po = bulgër bujgër. "Quercus macedonica, lloj lisi".

Iliret dhe gjeneza e shqiptareve, sesion shkencor, 3-4 Mars 1969, 1969, p. .47  
  BUJGËR m. sh. bot.

Lloj qarri, i gjatë deri njëzet e pesë metra, me lëkurë të murrme, me gjethe vezake e të dhëmbëzuara si të lisit dhe me dru të fortë; qarr i kuq. Bujgri i ashpër bungëkeqja. Tra (dërrasë) bujgri.  
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Une jam thuajse i bindur qe etimologjia e emrit bullgar, eshte fjala vulgar qe nga ana e saj buron nga vulgus, nje menyre qe pershkruante karakterin e dyndesve aziatiko-tartare, duke e krahasuar ate me sofistikimin kulturor te romaneve.
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Edhe fjala gur nga Suidae :γρωνη -πέτρα ''gur ''

pas metathezes γρωνη < γωρνη [lexo:gur`nje]

ndersa πέτρα eshte e ardhur nga pershkrimi i gurit petashuq ''rrase guri''.


Ne lidhje me fjalen gur dua te permend edhe sanskriten giri 'stone,rock' por si mbiemer kane guru 'heavy' i rende ,aguru 'light' i lehte ,gjithasshtu tek hititet gjendet gurtas 'fortese,keshtjelle' qe une besoj se lidhet me gur ,kete fjale e kane krahasuar me fjalen gardh,garth por sme duket bindese dhe mos ka ardhur nga ndonje drejtim tjeter,kam parasysh se kemi edhe kurt 'corte' dhe kurt ndoshta lidhet me gurtas nga gur(?).


Nga helenet akoma edhe nje fjale tjeter: πορδάλεος 'flatulent' ,pordhalosh qe ne i themi pordhac ,ka nje trajte me te shkurter πορδή 'pordhe'.Helenet perdoren edhe πνευματοποιός ' producing flatulence',ne shqip fryme bojsh.
Hesychius ka dhene nje lekseme ἠχέτης, Hsch. clear-sounding, musical, shrill ; Kjo fjale lidhet me fjalen shqipe jehone 'Hesiod, Shield of Heracles ; ἠχώ echo,'por ἠχέτης si mbiemer me te njejten prapashtese si ne shqip i bie te jete vikates nga folja vikat qe nuk eshte huazim nga sllavet sepse futet ne formulen e Pokornyt prothetic V nga zero pra V+ikat ,sikur vis,vater, vjet etj.
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T'falem nerit pr k't gietie Bardus...

U kam gni t'pakiarte me emnin Scyptar, Scype, Scypeni?

A ka munci me e diet kah buro kio ? A ka nai kusch diagnos pr k't'.

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amathia wrote:U kam gni t'pakiarte me emnin Scyptar, Scype, Scypeni?
A ka munci me e diet kah buro kio?
Shqip-/t/ar prej ndajfolljet shqip. Shqyp-/n/ì në mos kjoftë e ndërlidhun me shqip, si vendi ku fllitet shqip - Shqipnì, ndoshta mund të jetë vënë edhe si 'vendi i shqypeve', i shkabave.. Ndajfollja shqip dokumentohet qysh në 15OOën në Malësi, prej At Gjon Benedikt Buzukut, që e përdorte edhe si sinonim për gluhën e arbaneshe - si në këto mote.
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a ka munci ci me ken emni Scyptar prej (Old Skepsian)???

Skepsian-Scyp-Skyp-

Skepsian -old population descendants of the Troyans and Dardanians.

Duet me ken dicka e lidhun me kta Skepsian...

Ca thu Zeus?
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ne greciest :palaiskepis (παλαἱσκιψιϛ)

ci thot--> palai-t'lasht +skepis-(scypet) scypet e lashta ?

ca thuni u ?
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n'lidhie me Skepsian-->scype-scip'tar

P'r ma t'plot shoim Skep'ticism na del se ne rraien e fiials Skep-ticism ka t'boi me nierxit ci kan (shkue)skue mas Pyrros-Skep-tiket. Kus iian nierxit ci kan skue mas Pyrros me emrin Skepsian ci kan genet dhe iian ma t'lashtit??

Kus iian kta Skepsian ci ene Demetriusi i ka p'rmen dhe ian skue mas Pyrrhos?

Pse Strabo munoet me e mblue k'ta nierx? Pse ghith a kuner Demetriusit t'Skepsit ene pse ghith dien e merr nga ay(Demetriusi)?
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amathia wrote:a ka munci ci me ken emni Scyptar prej (Old Skepsian)???

Skepsian-Scyp-Skyp-

Skepsian -old population descendants of the Troyans and Dardanians.

Duet me ken dicka e lidhun me kta Skepsian...

Ca thu Zeus?
Une e shoh me shume lidhjen me "sceptros"- armen e fuqishme zeusiane. Ka nje dualitet kuptimesh kjo fjale, shqiponje dhe/ose skeptër:

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t falem nerit Zeus

Po nse khyrim ci:

Skepsian - Old Descendants of Trojans and Dardanians
Scepticism- followers of Pyrrho

Followers--> qep-em (k->q), i qepem dickaiie (kap'em) (k->q), i qepem pas (k->q) qep-->kap, qepe--kepe, +S lloii i kunert (mohouec) marr-s'marr, kam-skam.

mirpo nk't rast (S) mohuece p'rdoret p'r t'marr dicka nga ni struktur e bascueme (Alb.nuk--Eng.not, sh+nuki--marr); p'r me marrun dru duet me shkurtue-shkap-shkoq (pre) nga rrania me s'kic p'r tpas.
Skiponia-shkaba (p->b) shkap (b) kinghin pei nga grigha(kopeia)--gri+gja (gja ci grin barin) gjaiia.

Ather mun me dal e vrtet ci thot Pokorny ci shqiptar del nga --> Accipiter griseiceps --> ccip-Scip e mpas a bo Sciponie (Shkap + po)

Mpas kemi tana fialt ci lidhen me scep-scap:
Beak -->(S) + qep--(sHkap) (p->b) --is an external anatomical structure of birds which is used for eating and for grooming, manipulating objects, killing prey, fighting, probing for food, courtship

ene sakicat iian isoj si sqepi i scipoinies, shih paraciietien e sakicave t'lashta me sqep.

Qeprat- (truss n.) Something gathered into a bundle; a pack. (trussing tr.v.) To tie up or bind tightly. e t'r kio na iiep --> KAP (gathered, pack, tie, bind).

Adze -->(S) + qepar -- S(a)kic An axlike tool with a curved blade at right angles to the handle, used for shaping wood

Kio nosta na jep ala drit mi rraiien e fiales Shqiptar, Shqip e nosta na lidh me Skepsian-Scip.


Po grekit pse "nuk" kan ni fial p'r Sciponie-, kur dim se a shenia ma e ransishme e p'rdorun n'flamuj ka ken po vet Sciponia??
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Po Zeus a mun me iiep ni prejardhiie t'fials "sceptros". Tska do t'thot?!!!
u po munoena n'dien ci e gnoh...

1) ene Pse paraqitet Zeusi me lotus scepter-ALB. sqepar thuet se a "arma e tij, skopi, scepi, qi ka ni sqep n'maje" e n'an'n pasme a ni sqep-sqiponie e s'kapun per vetetime. (paracitiia e pare)
e thame fial per fial sic a aty : "Lycia, Oenoanda AR Stater. Dated Year 3. (186/5 BC?) Laureate head of Zeus right, lotus scepter & B behind neck / OINOAN/DEWN, eagle standing three-quarters right on thunderbolt, G & grape cluster in right field."

2) ne paracietiien e dyt a ni Scepter ne Egyptin e lasht me Scepterin i cili ka formen e Scepit (Sqepit) ene cuditrisct i p'rghan dhis s'Gergit Kastriotit t'vnueme n'kri.

Si a e munscme ci gua shqype t'ket edhe a) Shkap, shkapem nga toka me nihmen e shkopit, po edhe sqepin n'majen e shkopit tsilat dalin nga e niajta rraj KAP-e gniashtu ene KAM; asni gue tieter n'bot t'mos ket fialn Scep-Scap-Sqep t'nghan me Scepter (p'rdorun nga Faraonet dhe nga Scipet) p'rvec Shqypes?!!!!

Si a munun ci fiala Accipiter na del sum e ciart n'scyp: Accipiter--> A -asht ccipi-Scipi-ter e na iep (S) + kap prei asai dalin Shkab, Sqep, Sqepar, Scipi+ter=Scipiter-Skifter Sciftar (tar, ter, tor).

E guet tiera iiapin kto menime ci iian t'ulta:

Ernout Meillet explain the etymology of accipiter in the following way: " let mot est parallele a acupedius, acu-pedius rapelle gr. ώκύ-πουϛ, accipiter rapelle gr. ώκύ-πτεροϛ
Ernout-Miellet , s.v. accipiter . OLD accipiter prob *acu-peter "swift-flying" (for acu, cf. perh. acupedis; for peter , cf. skt. patram "bird"...) Ovid's Causes: Cosmogony and Aetiology in the Metamorphoses
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A ene kio asht ni rastsi apo un kam ni pririe p'r t'ba t'ghitha shqiptare?

Per mua "nuk" ka asgni men'dyshiie (m'dyshje) ci kio a ni ghetie e sheniave ci ka p'rdorun Gerghi Kastrioti me shum dashni e ner, e tsilat ian t'padituna p'r ne scypet.

Iia tsca thoin t'tieret mi fialen Scepter:


1. a royal staff, a sceptre---> Old Skepsian Nobility
2. A teacher''s rod ----------> Skop--Shkop (ene n'rastin e Epi-Skopos)
3. A name of the plant-------?
4. kingdom, rule, dominion, authority-----> Old Skepsian Nobility
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