"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

EPIRI - PERKATESIA E TIJ SHQIPTARE

Këtu mund të flisni mbi historinë tonë duke sjellë fakte historike për ndriçimin e asaj pjese të historisë mbi të cilen ka rënë harresa e kohës dhe e njerëzve.

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Saggi di dissertazioni accademiche: pubblicamente lette nella nobile ...‎ - pg.100
Accademia etrusca - 1751

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Perkthim:

"Zoti Abate Sallier ne Tomo V. ne kujtimet e Akademise se Inscrizioni thote,qe shpjegimi dhene vendit te Homerit nga Atenei nuk eshte kaq e thjeshte dhe keshtu ai pershkruan ate qe ai ka gjetur,dhe bashkangjit ate qe Aristoteli ka bere te mundur ti pergjigjet ceshtjes se Aleksandrit.Sheh ai me Esichio,Eustasio,e Pausania,qe fjala PELEIAI ne Dialektin e Popujve te Epirit do te thote "GRA TE VJETRA"(PLAKA),dhe ne Greqine tjeter do te thote "PELLUMBA"
Kjo domethenie e dyfishte,shton ai,ka dhene nje mundesi ne keqkuptim,dhe ka thene Homerit qe pellumbat furnizonin Zeusin me Ambrosia (ἀμβροσία=ushqim dhe pije i Zoteve,Perendive);ku e verteta ishte,qe disa Plaka prifteresha kishin detyren te pregatisnin mishrat,ose ofrime te Sakrificave per Zeusin ne Epir....

...Ne qofte se Homeri do kishte ditur kete fjale Epirote,qartesisht nuk do ti kishte shpetuar te ringjallte idene e ketyre Plakave Sherbetore te Zeusit...."


Pak a shume ky perkthimi
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Dhe tani......... ja ku t'ju sjell dicka me te vertet interesante:


D. Paulus apostulus in mari, quod nunc Venetus sinus dicitur, naufragus, et ...‎ - Pagina 100
Nikola Marija Đur#-dević - 1730


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Te kete qene ndonje propagandues proshqiptar ky Nikola Maria ne 1730?...apo Straboni-qe eshte sipas tij kjo harte :D
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O derman cfare thote Hesychius of Alexandria ketu?Qe edhe "Ηλείοι & Κάρες" ishin barbare dhe flisnin trakisht?

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EURYDICE (EfyuSfoij). 1. An Illyrian princess, wife of Amyntas II., king of Macedonia, and mother of the famous Philip. According to Justin (vii. 4, 5), she engaged in a conspiracy with, a paramour against the life of her husband ; but though the plot was detected, she was spared by Amyntas out of regard to their common, offspring. After the death of the latter (b. c. 369), his eldest son, Alexander, who succeeded him on the throne, was murdered after a short reign by Ptolemy Alorites, and it seems probable that Eurydice was concerned in this plot also. From a comparison of the statements of Justin (vii. 5) and Diodorus (xv. 71, 77, xvi. 2), it would appear that Ptolemy was the paramour at whose instigation Eurydice had attempted the life of her husband; and she cer*tainly seems to have made common cause with him after the assassination of her son. (Thirlwall's Greece, vol. y. p. 164.) But the appearance of...

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Sir William Woodthorpe Tarn, of the British Academy, regarded worldwide as having written the definitive work on Alexander the Great, states in the opening paragraph of his book Alexander the Great that "Alexander certainly had from his father (Philip II) and probably from his mother (Olymbia) Illyrian, i.e. Albanian, blood!"*
During Rose Wilder Lane's visit to Albania in 1921 resulting in the publication in1923 of her book Peaks of Shala, she heard the following rather extraordinary rendition of Albanian oral history about Alexander the Great from an Albanian elder:
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"There was at that time two capitals of the united kingdom of Macedonia. There was Pela, between Salonika and Manastir, and there was Emadhija**, the old capital, lying in the valley which is now Mati (a high, fertile plateau north of Tirana, near the coast of northern Albania - ED).

"Alexander's father, Filip the Second had great houses in both Pela and Emadhija, and before Lec i Madhe was born, his mother left Pela and came back to the original capital, Emadhija. It was there that Lec i Madhe was born, and there he lived until he was out of the cradle and rode on a horse when he first went down into Pela to see his father who came from the city to meet and see his son for the first time.

"Filip the Second was very proud of his son, and his pride led him to the one great foolishness of a good and wise king. He said that he would make Lec i Madhe king of the world, and that was well enough, but he thought to be king of the world a man must be more learned than he himself. Whereas all old men who have watched the ways of the world know that to be strong and ruthless will make a man powerful, but to be learned makes a man full of dreams and hesitations.
"In his pride and blindness, Filip the Second sent to Greece for an Albanian who had learned the ways of the Greeks, and to that man he gave the boy, to be taught books. (The Albanian's) name was Aristotle, and he came from a family of the tribe of Ajeropi, his father having gone to a village in Macedonia and became a merchant there. Being rich, he sent his son, who was fond of thought rather than of action, to learn the Greek ways of thinking. And it was this man who was brought by Filip the Second to teach his son."***


* P 1, ALEXANDER THE GREAT, W.W. Tarn, Beacon Press, Boston, 1956
** "Emadhija" means in Albanian "the great city"
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LA, Rose Wilder Lane. Harper Brothers & Publishers, New York & London, 1923
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Nga W.W.Tarn i Trinity College Dublin, atje ku studijojne mbreterit e Evropes.

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Te ndalemi pak ne mesjete disa pjese dhe harte te shkeputura nga ky liber:

Parallela geographiae veteris et novae, Volume 2‎ - Pagina 336
Philippe Briet - 1649

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Perkthyer:
DACIA JUGORE:Pjesa jugore e Serbise----Nish.

Pra skaji me jugor siç shihet edhe ne harte eshte NESSVS,Nyssaem ose ndryshe quajtur NISH.


DARDANIA.Pjese e Bullgarise Jugore(?) Shkupi ne Malin Orbelo(malet e Sharit),ku perfundon Dardania dhe Maqedonia,sot(hodie lat.=sot) Vschup,ose Vscopie(Shkupi)

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PRAEVALITANA(Maqedonia SALVATARIS) .....pjese e Dalmacise dhe Shqiperise
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vazhdim:

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ILLIRIA.

Diocezia(peshkopata) e Maqedonise.

Maqedonia Parva(?)....Selaniku ...prefectura e Illirise Barbare.

EPIRUS VETUS(Epiri Vjeter)....Pjese e Shqiperise Jugore.......Ambrakia eshte fundi i emeruar LARTA,ose Arte,ose ARTA.

EPIRUS NOVA (Epiri i Ri),I Pari dhe i Siperm....Maqedonia SALVTARIS,pjese e Shqiperise Veriore...

Durresi...Apollonia...
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Mallakastrioti, te lumte per materialet e shkelqyeshme qe po i sjell vazhdimisht ne forum! Vazhdo me te tilla! -itsok- -winer-
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ALBPelasgian wrote:Mallakastrioti, te lumte per materialet e shkelqyeshme qe po i sjell vazhdimisht ne forum! Vazhdo me te tilla! -itsok- -winer-

Te paça derman...po, mendoj se me te vertet po bejme pune cilesore te gjithe.Mund te them se aq sa materiale kemi mbledhur e kemi ne ti besh te gjithe forumet shqiptare bashk nuk i kane.Te mendohemi me tej cduam te bejme me keto materiale se eshte gjynah mos tia bejme te ditur botes anembane.
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Si thote Stefan Bizanti ketu?....Athamania(Atamantet) krahine Ilire.
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The nations of Russia and Turkey and their destiny
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Arber & Mallakastrioti duken sikur jane 'rivale' se cili do sjelle materiale me shume -itsok- Ne fakt, ky 'rivalitet' duhet te jete gjithnje mes nesh qe te permbledhin ketu materiale sa me shume qe eshte e mundur.

Ta dime se jemi duke e sfiduar nje Propagande te tere me tradite shumevjecare. Jemi te vetedijshem se materialin qe kemi grumbulluar ne keto 21 faqe te kesaj teme Cilesisht dhe Sasiisht ia kalon cdo sipermarrje tjeter jo vetem ne internet por edhe nga Akademite tona (nese kane marre ndonjehere) ne mbrojtjen e shqiptaresise se Epirit.

Vellezer, duhet te bejme c'eshte e mundur qe se paku te sjellim materiale edhe njehere kaq, dmth ta dyfishojme! Duhet te shfrytezojme cdo burim te mundshem ne internet, te regjistrohemi neper libari online, te kerkojme, te kerkojme dhe vetem te kerkojme.

Eshte mire qe secili nga ne, kete material qe kemi grumbulluar ta shkarkoje (donwload) ne kompjuterin e tij dhe ta arkivoje ne nje CD, sepse rastesisht sikur te ndodh ndonje sulm hackeresh greke apo sllav, rrezikohet te na humb puna. Prandaj, duhet ta sistemojme neper CD e USB kete material te jashtezakonshem!
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Ancient Greece: A Political, Social, and Cultural History
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By Sarah B. Pomeroy
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