"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

Ilire, Maqedone dhe Helene.

Këtu mund të flisni mbi historinë tonë duke sjellë fakte historike për ndriçimin e asaj pjese të historisë mbi të cilen ka rënë harresa e kohës dhe e njerëzve.

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Mallakastrioti wrote:Po shihja me vemendje ate sitin qe solli arber.Gjithe ai organizim dhe propagande kunder grekut qe bejne bullgaret sma merrte mendja.

Ata (sllavet dhe gerxhet) kokat hengshin me njeri-tjetrin sepse tek e fundit i nxjerrin genjeshtrat njeri-tjetrit.

Gjeja tjeter qe me beri pershtypje eshte sepse i kane shkruar ne greqisht faqet dhe duket pune profesionale e tyre.
Edhe une mbeta pa fjale Mallakaster! Bullgaret paskan bere nje web-faqe qe c'ke me te; te armatosur gjer ne dhembe me fakte nga me te ndryshmet ne mbrojtje te identitetit ilir te Maqedonasve te vjeter.

Organizimi virtual i te gjithe popujve perreth eshte i persosur. Eshte per cdo keqardhje qe shqiptaret s'kane kurrfare mjedisi koherent te tyre ne internet (pervec forumit tone i cili ka shenuar sukses mbi suksese duke grumbulluar kq materiale brenda kaq pak muajve me kaq pak anetare).

Eshte mire te merren akoma informata nga ky web. Ja nje nder to:
"So in the 5th century. πΧ από το ανακάτεμα αυτό (Ιλλυριούς, Φρύγες, Παίονες, Μολοσσούς κλπ) σχηματίστηκε η Mακεδονική φυλή που είχε δική της γλώσσα και ξεχώριζε από τους άλλους λαούς της Βαλκανική ς" BC by mixing it (Illyrians, Phrygians, Paeonian, Molossians etc.) formed the Makedoniki tribe had its own language and is distinguished from the other peoples of the Balkans s "

"Οι Έλληνες όμως, αν και οι Μακεδόνες βασιλιάδες καθώς και οι αυλικοί και οι ευγενείς μιλούσαν την ελληνική γλώσσα και ισχυρίζονταν πως κατάγονταν από τους Ηρακλείδες, τους χαρακτήριζαν β α ρ β α ρ ο υ ς και α λ λ ό φ υ λ ο υ ς" "The Greeks, though the Macedonians and their kings and courtiers and nobles spoke the Greek language and claimed they came from Heracleidae, the featured ba ba r a r u a l s and l as f o u u s "

"Στο χαρακτηρισμό αυτόν είναι ομόφωνη η αρχαία Eλληνική παράδοση. Όχι μόνο ο Δημοσθένης αλλά και ο Θουκυδίδης και όλοι σχεδόν οι Έλληνες συγγραφείς αποκαλούν τους Μακεδόνες Βαρβάρους" "The classification is unanimous the ancient Hellenic tradition. Not only Demosthenes and Thucydides and almost all the Greek writers call the Macedonians barbarians"

"Η αρχαία Mακεδονική γλώσσα ήταν φυσικό να πλουτιστεί με λέξεις Φ ρυγικές, Iλλυρικές, Π αιονικές, Θ εσσαλικές και αργότερα με Ε λληνικές» "The ancient Makedoniki language was naturally enriched with words rygikes F, Illyrikes, P aionikes, I essalikes and later by e llinikes"
Γιάννης Κορδάτος: Ιστορία της αρχαίας Ελλάδας John Kordatos: History of Ancient Greece
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Nje lutje per te gjithe:

Dokumenti epigrafik qe kemi shtene ne dore, eshte i rendesise te pakundshoqe. Detyre jona eshte studimi racional i tij; rrjedhimisht perforcimi i argumentimit tone rreth Iliricitetit te Maqedonise se mocme.

Arber, do te ishte mire te beje perpjekje qe te siguroje informacione: Ku eshte gjetur ky mbishkrim, Kur eshte gjetur, Kush e gjeti, Kush e ka studiuar?

Zeus10 & Alfeko, meqe te dy e lexoni mire greqishten e vjeter, do te ishte mire sikur ta rikonfirmonit tekstin e lashte me perkthimin ne anglisht. A korrospondojne ata?
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ALBPelasgian Nje lutje per te gjithe:

Dokumenti epigrafik qe kemi shtene ne dore, eshte i rendesise te pakundshoqe. Detyre jona eshte studimi racional i tij; rrjedhimisht perforcimi i argumentimit tone rreth Iliricitetit te Maqedonise se mocme.

Arber, do te ishte mire te beje perpjekje qe te siguroje informacione: Ku eshte gjetur ky mbishkrim, Kur eshte gjetur, Kush e gjeti, Kush e ka studiuar?

Zeus10 & Alfeko, meqe te dy e lexoni mire greqishten e vjeter, do te ishte mire sikur ta rikonfirmonit tekstin e lashte me perkthimin ne anglisht. A korrospondojne ata?
Po në atë link shkruan që ta dërgova ke faqja e kaluar , ose ja edhe njëher :
Found a decade ago near Greek-Macedonian borders, this 2800 years old, white marble chronicle, chiseled in late Phoenician characters, unvails in archaic Greek language some important details concerning 8th c. BC Macedonian invasion in Balkans.

Among provided data, testifies displacment of indigenous Phrygians by Macedonians in Asia Minor and nongreek origin of these prehistoric people. Inscription that measures 50X70 cm, was found accidentally in 1999 by a Macedonian farmer inside a prehistoric cave-sarcofagus near Greek-Macedonian borderline. It weighs 42 kg

Më shumë këtu
: http://www.bulgarmak.org/phoenician_inscription.htm

Unë më shumë jamë i kënaqur që po shofi emrin ILIR ke aj mbishkrim ..
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Zeus10 & Alfeko, meqe te dy e lexoni mire greqishten e vjeter, do te ishte mire sikur ta rikonfirmonit tekstin e lashte me perkthimin ne anglisht. A korrospondojne ata?
Po, korrespondon, ne disa postime te meparshme, kam shkeputur disa fjale prej mbishkrimit qe tregojne nje transliterim-transkiptim dhe ndarje te sakte, te gjitha ato jane ne gjuhen """greke""", megjithese eshte nje """greqishte""" e pazakonte, e gjymtuar dhe gramatikisht jo korrekte duke e krahasuar me ate klasike.

Por ajo qe me ben mua pak skeptik per origjinalitetin e kesaj pllake eshte historia e saj:

Inscription that measures 50X70 cm, was found accidentally in 1999 by a Macedonian farmer inside a prehistoric cave-sarcofagus near Greek-Macedonian borderline. It weighs 42 kg,
On June 2000 was sold to a Greek amateure archaeologist, who declared it to Greek Ministry of Culture. Until today Greek authorities invoking "unknown provenance" and "unclear archaelogical context", remain unconcerned avoiding to issue a private ownership licence and apply beaurocratic obstacles to prevent farther publicity. Last decades such stance on issues contradicting Greek national aspect on Macedonian history, is common practice in Greece
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THE TRANSLATED TEXT
By Prof. Dr. Ahmet Leitani, Beirut University, Lebanon


"Perdikas son of Argeo(s) leading his Makestes (Macedonians) approaching to Vedissa (Edessa) citadel as descending from upper Illyria, offered sacrifice to uppermost (god) Savaz(i)os.

Later when conquered entire Midas country, being outraged with foreign Greeks who were charged for intrigues, extincted them immediatelly while released indigenous Briges (Phrygians) to wander away, since both these people spoke different languages.

Since then being elder sovereign of Brigea (Phrygia) enjoyed the profits of this most ancient city renaming it to Aegae while kept repelling fugitives to return with exemption of captives.

This marble chronicle was chiseled by Dredas son of Gordios in Greek language as memorial of a sorrowful recall"
http://www.bulgarmak.org/phoenician_inscription.htm
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Veria (officially transliterated as Veroia, Greek Βέροια or Βέρροια, also Φέροια in Classical Greek - Βέροια being the Ancient Macedonian equivalent)........nga wiki. kjo gje.


Kurse Stefan Bizanti na thote:


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  Mos ka ndonje lum ne Shqiperi me kete emer?  


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Mos ka ndonje lum ne Shqiperi me kete emer? :)
  lol, Lumi i Bunes ne Shkoder!  
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Vazhdojme me Stefan Bizantin:


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JAPIGIA:Dy qytete,nje ne Itali, tjetra ne Iliri.....



P:S-(Shenimi im)...Japigia=Laberia? :)
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Ju kam lëshuar Lekës , o do e bëj Shqiptar o do e vras :)
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The Albanians: An Ethnic History from Prehistoric Times to the Present
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By Edwin E. Jacques
Published 1994
McFarland & Company
History / General History
748 pages

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Women Warriors : A History
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By David E. Jones
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ISBN 1574882066

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The Ancient World
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By Joseph Ward Swain,
Terrot Reaveley
Glover
Published 1950
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Hellenic History
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Robinson, George
Willis Botsford
Published 1948
Macmillan Co.
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