"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

Etimologjia e emrit Besnik

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Dua te me ndihmoni me etmologjine e ketij emri dhe te me thoni neqoftese ky emer ka lidhje me greqishten. Faleminderit.
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Ca njerez me thone qe nik ka lidhje me greqishten fitoj. A eshte e vertete?
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Martim wrote:Ca njerez me thone qe nik ka lidhje me greqishten fitoj. A eshte e vertete?
E verteta eshte se nese ka emer, ku origjina shqip eshte e garantuar, ai eshte emri Besnik. Ai eshte nje pershtatje-shkurtim i bese-(niq)ndiq, pra ka kuptiminqe besnik: eshte ai qe ndjek besën.
Pjesa qe ka lidhje me greshten eshte po aq interesante, sepse eshte e vertete qe ne ""greqisht"" fjala me rrenjen nik(niq) perkthehet pikerisht : 'fitoj':

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Kjo fjale lexohet (νίκη; níkē) ose niqë, dhe eshte fjala qe perdornin ""greket"" kur ndiqnin armikun, perzinin armikun.
pra fjala shqipe ndjek, qe "cuditerisht" eshte e njejte me ate ""greke"":

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Dua te kujtoj, n-ë ose d-ë ne krye te fjales e ndjekur nga nje zanore, ka vlere fonetike te nderkembyeshme ose binare nd.
Pra sic shihet vete fjale "greke", nuk ka kuptim te mirrefillte "grek"por e huazon kuptimin nga nje fjale shqipe. Dhe kjo ndodh rendome me shumicen e fjaleve greke.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
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Folja ndjek e shqipes, qe ne greqisht shfaqet ne dy forma:

διώκ-ειν

ose

νεικ-ώ

qe ne fakt jane folja ndjek dhe e shkuara e sa ndoqa(verreni transformimin k-q), perdoren rendom ne fjaleformimet e greqishtes, psh folja grindem apo grindja:
φιλονεικώ; φιλονεικία

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eshte qartesisht nje fjale e perbere:
filo + nikia

qe nese do te kishte kuptimin fjale per fjale e pretenduar nga greket shok+fitore, nuk do bente sens. Ajo ne fakt eshte shok+ndjek, pra qe grindesh dhe ndjek dike. Per kete arsye ne ""greqishten"" e lashte ajo eshte thjeshte ndjek:

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ky fenomen eshte shpjeguar shume qarte dhe ne nje prurje te Alfekos, shkeputur nga libri i pellasgologut grek Thomopulos:

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ne fakt po ti shikosh me vemendje , te gjithe sinonimet ""greke"" per grindjen, permbajne rrenje te foljeve shqip:
e-ri-s-------ka rrenje folen rri-hem
a-gun(agon)-------ka rrenje foljen gju-n(gjuaj)
stas-is-------------ka rrenje foljen shtij, te shtish(te godasesh)
e keshtu me rradhe.
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Zeus10 wrote:Folja ndjek e shqipes, qe ne greqisht shfaqet ne dy forma:
διώκ-ειν
ose
νεικ-ώ
Ndërkaqë u do shtonja qi gërqençet διώκ- e νεικ- mblejnë si di fjal t'rrjedhuna ka arpnishtja ndjek, me çndërrimet si m'poshtë:
διώκ - dhiek (mënd të jetë ndrishimi dh-nd si arpnishtët ndez-dhez)
νεικ - njek (mënd të jetë ndrishimi nd-n si arpnishtët ndër-nêr)

Mblejnë çndërrime t'tilla.
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Strokulli, perseri po me habit me njohurite ne gjuhen Shqipe.
Dhez-perndoret ne dialektin tzam ne vend te /ndez/.
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Ndoshta ka qene shume e shume kohem me pare /ondheo/ dhe nje rrenje e saj ka lidhje me kuptimin e "udh".
Perfshin kodet "dhe", "o" dhe "n(ë)"
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