"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

MACEDONIA - Its Albanian affiliation

Këtu mund të flisni mbi historinë tonë duke sjellë fakte historike për ndriçimin e asaj pjese të historisë mbi të cilen ka rënë harresa e kohës dhe e njerëzve.

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Teksti ne vazhdim eshte fryt i sintetizimit te materialeve te grumbulluara ketu ne arberiaonline. Interpretimi i tyre eshte bere nga une, keshtu qe cdo gabim eventual mund t'me mvishet mua. Poashtu, nje falenderim i posaqem shkon per Socion qe pati durimin te me keshillonte per sistemin e referencimit. Gjithashtu nje merite e posacme shkon edhe per qiellikalter per perkthimin ne gjuhen angleze.
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MACEDONIA - ITS ALBANIAN AFFILIATION

MACEDONIA - 4000 YEARS OF ALBANIAN CONTINUANCE

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The writings of ancient Greek and Roman authors confirm implicitly the Illyrian identity of Ancient Macedonians: Pliny the Elder [IV, X, 33], Strabo [7, 7, 1; 7.7.8; 7, 11], Ptolemy [3, 12]. Based on this clear information, a large number of historians and linguists of the XIX-th and XX-th century uphold a hypothesis on Illyrian identity of Macedonians. We can mention here: Karl Otfrid Muller, William Smith, Charl Anthony, G. Finlay etc. Later on, other well known linguists that do support the thesis of an Illyrian essence in the Ancient Macedonians language are: G. Kazaroff, M. Rostovtzeff, M. Budimir, H. Baric (Miltiades Hatzopoulos: 1999).

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Even the greatest supporters of the hypothesis that the Macedonians were Greeks, do accept a strong influence of the Illyrian language into the Ancient Macedonian language. Paliga states: "It is therefore difficult to say whether the ancient Macedonians spoke an idiom closer to Thracian, Illyrian, Greek or a specific idiom." ( Paglia cited in Fol 2002 : 219)

Hammond (1989) accepts that when: “the Macedonians expanded, they overlaid and lived with peoples who spoke Illyrian, Paeonian, Thracian and Phrygian, and they certainly borrowed words from them which excited the authors of lexica and glossaries”. (Hammond 1989:13)

To be fair, the debate on the characteristics of the Macedonian language is still unfinished, because there are: 'theories varying from a basically Illyrian “creole” to a Greek-thracian-illyrian ‘pidgin’. (Anastasios-Phoivos Christidēs 2007)

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Archaeological data show an undisputable Illyrian presence in the Ancient Macedonia. Archaeological findings in Vergina (Aigai – an Illyrian foundation, i.e capital of Ancient Macedonia) show similarity as well as uniformity to the Glasinac Culture, which is a typical Illyrian culture. This is what Hammond (1976) says regarding this point:

“The period of Illyrian control in the plain of Macedonia lasted from c. 800 to c. 650 B.C. The evidence has survived almost entirely in warrior-graves and women's graves which were much less numerous. There were cremations sometimes in urns, as well as inhumations, large pithoi were used as coffins, e.g. at Vergina; and burials were grouped together, sometimes under a tumulus and sometimes not. New articles were bronze pendants of various kinds, bronze belt-plates, large bronze spectacle-fibulae, armlets of thin bronze wire and armlets of heavy bronze metal with incised decoration, and many bronze beads of various shapes. At Vergina, where the same cemetery was used for Illyrian chieftains, two new forms of bowl were evidently copied from wooden prototypes, such as are made by the Vlachs in modern times. New tumuli constructed for Illyrian chieftains contained many spearheads and spear-butts, sickle-shaped knives and heavy bracelets. The homeland of these new elements was in central Yugoslavia, and the typical site there was Glasinac, where the tumuli were numbered in thousands.
In the cemetery at Vergina the period of greatest prosperity, c. 900-800 B.C., was followed by radical changes and a growing impoverishment. In some tumuli the partly cremated remains were placed in urns, and sickle shaped knives with whetstones and spears over two metres in length with iron head and iron butt accompanied some of the warriors. In Upper Macedonia the presence of lllyrian rulers was shown by burials with similar weapons and ornaments at Visoi and Petilep in Pelagoma; at Pateli in Eordaea, and at Vucedol near Skopje and by Titov Veles. Objects typical of them have been found in small numbers at Kozani and at sites in the middle Haliacmon valley. To the east of the Vardar they seem to have driven the Paeonians back towards the Strymon valley, and there are concentrations of Illyrian objects at Kumanovo and at Radanja near Stip. Large numbers of tumuli are reported in this area; some at least were made probably for Illyrian warriors. Other groups of Illyrians established themselves in the middle Strymon valley, where their name in Classical times was the Maedi; in the Kumli valley between Doiran and Serres; and in the vicinity of Amphipolis. There were penetrations also into northwest Bulgaria and even beyond the Danube in Rumania.
The expansion of the Illyrian tribes had some effects also on northern and central Greece. At Vitsa in Zagori burials were made in shallow trenches, or in cist-graves roofed with branches on which stones were placed, or under a cairn of stones. The burials were close-packed; set in three layers, and very close to the settlement, and the cemetery was in use from just before 900 B.C. into the fifth century B.C. To judge from the objects buried with the dead this community had contacts with Barc, vergina, Vodhine, the Illyrians, and also southern Greece”.
( Hammond 1976: 154/155)

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Also, the ancient traditions show that prior to the Macedonian hegemony, the territories north of mount Olymp were called “Illyria”. This is what Herodotus (8.137) confirms:

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137. Now of this Alexander the seventh ancestor was that Perdiccas who first became despot of the Macedonians, and that in the manner which here follows:--From Argos there fled to the Illyrians three brothers of the descendents of Temenos, Gauanes, Aëropos, and Perdiccas; and passing over from the Illyrians into the upper parts of Macedonia they came to the city of Lebaia.


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137. τοῦ δὲ Ἀλεξάνδρου τούτου ἕβδομος γενέτωρ Περδίκκης ἐστὶ ὁ κτησάμενος τῶν Μακεδόνων τὴν τυραννίδα τρόπῳ τοιῷδε. ἐξ Ἄργεος ἔφυγον ἐς Ἰλλυριοὺς τῶν Τημένου ἀπογόνων τρεῖς ἀδελφεοί, Γαυάνης τε καὶ Ἀέροπος καὶ Περδίκκης, ἐκ δὲ Ἰλλυριῶν ὑπερβαλόντες ἐς τὴν ἄνω Μακεδονίην ἀπίκοντο ἐς Λεβαίην πόλιν.

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The latest archaeological findings do support this statement. Here, we can mention the table with inscriptions found a decade ago near the Greek-Macedonian border. This 2800 years old, white marble chronicle, chiselled in late Phoenician characters, unveils in archaic Greek language some important details concerning 8th c. BC Macedonian invasion in the Balkans.
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Prof.Doc. Ahmet Leitani at Beirut University in Lebanon has worked on the transcript, transliteration and translation of this inscription. According to his work the inscription reads:

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Περδίκας Αργαίο[υ] καρανίων ιδίοις Μακέσταις (Μακεδόνες) καθύπερθεν Ιλλυραίας αγχίμολος επ' άκρα Βεδ[ύ]σσας Σαβάζω οφσιμέδοντι έρεχσεν. Μίδου επ' αν αίαν κάσχεθε οθνείους Γρεκέστας επί σκευωρήμασι λεληδορημένους αυθ' ανήρε σκυδμαίνων Βρύγας δε παλαίχθονας αλάσθαι τηλόθ' είε αμφ' αλλοθρόας. Εκτου το πάλλιστον άστυ Αιγάς προσγορεύσας εκάρπο. Κράντωρ δη Βρυγαίας γεραίτερος παλιντραπέλους άλαλκε πλην ζωγρημένων. Το δ' ούν μαρμάρεον μνάματος χάριν Δρέδας Γορδίου Γρεκιστί έχσεσεν ες γραμάτεα λυγρά

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Ο Περδίκας γυιός του Αργαίου επικεφαλής των Μακεστών (Μακεδόνων) μόλις έφθασε στην Ακρόπολη της Εδεσσας προερχόμενος από την άνω Ιλλυρία έκανε θυσία στον ύψιστο (Θεό) Σαβάζ(ι)ον. Στην συνέχεια αφού κυρίευσε την χώραν του Μίδα, τους ξένους Γκρεκούς εξόντωσε αμέσως οργισμένος επειδή βαρύνοντο με ραδιουργίες, ενώ τους γηγενείς Φρύγες άφησε να περιπλανώνται μακρυά, επειδή αυτοί οι δύο λαοί ήσαν ξενόγλωσσοι Από τότε ως γηραιός βασιλέας της Φρυγίας εκμεταλλευόταν την πανάρχαιη αυτή πόλη (Εδεσσα) αφού πρώτα την μετονόμασε σε Αιγαί εμπόδιζοντας τους φυγάδες να επιστρέψουν εκτός από αυτούς που συλλαμβάνοντο αιχμάλωτοι Την μαρμάρινη αυτή επιγραφή χάραξε σε Γκρεκική γλώσσα ο Δρέδας γυιός του Γορδίου σαν χρονικό θλιβερής ανάμνησης.


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Perdikas son of Argeos leading his Makestes when approached to Vedissa (Edessa) citadel, headed down from upper Illyria, offered sacrifice to uppermost (god) Savazos. Afterwards when conquered entire Midas country, being outraged with foreign Greeks who were charged for intrigues, extincted them immediatelly while released indigenous Briges to wander away, because both these people spoke different languages. Since then being elder sovereign of Brigea enjoyed the profits of very ancient city renaming it to Aigai while kept reppeling fugitives to return with excemption of captives. This marble chronicle was chiseled in Greek language by Dredas son of Gordios, in memory of a sorrowful remembrance. (Bugarmak n.d.)

Also, Strabon (7.5.1) states that: “What is now called Macedonia was in earlier times called Emathia. And it took its present name from Macedon, one of its early chieftains. And there was also a city Emathia close to the sea. Now a part of this country was taken and held by certain of the Epeirotes and the Illyrians, but most by the Bottiaei and the Thracians.

The most reasonable and logical explanation regarding the etymology of the name of the Ancient Macedonia is found in the language of Illyrians and Epirotes, who were the ethnic inhabitants of Ancient Macedonia. The very name of Macedonia, formerly known as 'Emathia,' derives in all probability from the Albanian word “E Madhia”, meaning “The Greatest”. (Larned et al 1922)

The ties of kinship among the kindred peoples of Illyria, Molossia, and Macedonia were still more strengthened by the intermarriages between their dynasties, Olympias, the mother of Alexander the Great, was a daughter of Molossia. Through the right of succession derived from the intermarriages, the same king sometimes happened to rule two or all three kingdoms. (Chekrezi 1919)

The ancient myths as well, tell us that the Macedonians have had a close relationship with the Illyrians. In the Ethnika of Stephanus of Byzantium Atintan is the son of the Macedon (Μακεδών). At the same time, the ancient chronicles mention Atintians as an Illyrian tribe, located between Illyria, Epirus and Macedonia. Even during the Medieval times, the Byzantine writers refer to Albanians as Macedonians. Macedonian at that time marked someone who spoke Albanian. Until about the fifteenth century Albanians were not called Albanians but Illyrians, or even Macedonians. This means that the terms Macedonian, Illyrian and Albanian were interchangeable and were used to note the Medieval Albanian.
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At that time, even the educated Albanians were signing and declaring themselves as Macedonians. For instance, P. Bodganus (1685) described himself as 'Macedo' and the Italo-Albanian Nicola Chetta (1742-1802) described his people as 'Macedoni' (7.24).This is the reason why the propagandistic battles between the Slavs and the Greeks for the Macedonian identity are simply failed efforts to steal Macedonia territorially and historically.

In a letter sent to the Prince of Taranto, George Kastriota Scanderbeg, the Albanian National Hero, reaffirms himself as a descendant of Alexander the Great and of Pirro of Epirus:

“I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?(illyrians n.d)

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As shown above, the ancient written material, the archaeological findings, as well as mythological, ethnographical and linguistic material, they all testify to the fact that Macedonia was and is Albanian during 4000 years of her history.

Last but not least, let's cite the words of Edith Durham (1917):

'The Albanians are among the very oldest inhabitants of the Balkan peninsula.
Classical authors give the names of very many tribes which dwelt in those lands when history
dawns. The Greeks classed them as 'barbarians' and they spoke a non-Greek tongue.
They were united in groups under native kings, and of these groups some of the most important
were the Macedonians, the Illyrians, and the Epirotes. According to Strabo, all three spoke
the same language. And it is from the Illyrians and the Epirotes that the Albanians of to-day
descend. Modern Albanian, in all probability, derives from the language of Alexander the Great
and King Pyrrhus'. (Edith Durham 1917: 83)

BIBLIOGRAPHY:

1. Pliny the Elder 'Natural History'
2. Strabo 'Geographica'
3. Claudius Ptolemaeus 'Geographia'
4. Miltiades Hatzopoulos 1999 ‘The speech of the ancient Macedonians, in the light of recent epigraphic discoveries’ - VI International Symposion on Ancient Macedonia.
5. Aleksandŭr Fol 2002 ‘Thrace and the Aegean’
6. Nicholas Geoffrey Lemprière Hammond 1989 ‘The Macedonian State: origins, institutions, and history’
7. Anastasios-Phoivos Christidēs 2007 ‘A history of ancient Greek: from the beginnings to late antiquity’
8. Nicholas Geoffrey Lemprière Hammond 1976 ‘Migrations and invasions in Greece and adjacent areas’
9. Herodotus 'The Histories'
10. Η ΙΛΛΥΡΙΚΗ ΚΑΤΑΓΩΓΗ ΤΩΝ ΑΡΧΑΙΩΝ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΩΝ THE ILLYRIAN ORIGIN OF ANCIENT MACEDONIANS: http://www.bulgarmak.org/albanian_origin.htm accessed on 25/05/10
11. Josephus Nelson Larned, Augustus Hunt Shearer 1922 ‘The new Larned History for ready reference, reading and research Volume I’
12. Constantin Anastasi Chekrezi 1919 'Albania past and present'
13. 'Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto' http://www.illyrians.org/skletter2tar.htm accessed on 25/05/10
14. M. Edith Durham 2005 'Albania and the Albanians: selected articles and letters 1903-1944'
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Ja edhe videoja:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97NS-uZMohw

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Albpelasgian kam nje verrejtje te vogel per videon per Maqedonine. Herodoti nuk thote ne 8.137 qe vendi mbi ate x mal quhej me perpara Iliria. Ai thote kete:
137. Now of this Alexander the seventh ancestor was that Perdiccas who first became despot of the Macedonians, and that in the manner which here follows:--From Argos there fled to the Illyrians three brothers of the descendents of Temenos, Gauanes, Aëropos, and Perdiccas; and passing over from the Illyrians into the upper parts of Macedonia they came to the city of Lebaia. There they became farm- servants for pay in the household of the king, one pasturing horses, the second oxen, and the youngest of them, namely Perdiccas, the smaller kinds of cattle; for in ancient times even those who were rulers over men were poor in money, and not the common people only; and the wife of the king cooked for them their food herself. And whenever she baked, the loaf of the boy their servant, namely Perdiccas, became double as large as by nature it should be. When this happened constantly in the same manner, she told it to her husband, and he when he heard it conceived forthwith that this was a portent and tended to something great. He summoned the farm-servants therefore, and gave notice to them to depart out of his land; and they said that it was right that before they went forth they should receive the wages which were due. Now it chanced that the sun was shining into the house down through the opening which received the smoke, and the king when he heard about the wages said, being infatuated by a divine power: "I pay you then this for wages, and it is such as ye deserve," pointing to the sunlight. So then Gauanes and Aëropos the elder brothers stood struck with amazement when they heard this, but the boy, who happened to have in his hand a knife, said these words: "We accept, O king, that which thou dost give;" and he traced a line with his knife round the sunlight on the floor of the house, and having traced the line round he thrice drew of the sunlight into his bosom, and after that he departed both himself and his fellows. .137. [1] τοῦ δὲ Ἀλεξάνδρου τούτου ἕβδομος γενέτωρ Περδίκκης ἐστὶ ὁ κτησάμενος τῶν Μακεδόνων τὴν τυραννίδα τρόπῳ τοιῷδε. ἐξ Ἄργεος ἔφυγον ἐς Ἰλλυριοὺς τῶν Τημένου ἀπογόνων τρεῖς ἀδελφεοί, Γαυάνης τε καὶ Ἀέροπος καὶ Περδίκκης, ἐκ δὲ Ἰλλυριῶν ὑπερβαλόντες ἐς τὴν ἄνω Μακεδονίην ἀπίκοντο ἐς Λεβαίην πόλιν. [2] ἐνθαῦτα δὲ ἐθήτευον ἐπὶ μισθῷ παρὰ τῷ βασιλέι, ὃ μὲν ἵππους νέμων, ὁ δὲ βοῦς, ὁ δὲ νεώτατος αὐτῶν Περδίκκης τὰ λεπτὰ τῶν προβάτων. ἡ δὲ γυνὴ τοῦ βασιλέος αὐτὴ τὰ σιτία σφι ἔπεσσε· ἦσαν γὰρ τὸ πάλαι καὶ αἱ τυραννίδες τῶν ἀνθρώπων ἀσθενέες χρήμασι, οὐ μοῦνον ὁ δῆμος· [3] ὅκως δὲ ὀπτῴη, ὁ ἄρτος τοῦ παιδὸς τοῦ θητὸς Περδίκκεω διπλήσιος ἐγίνετο αὐτὸς ἑωυτοῦ. ἐπεὶ δὲ αἰεὶ τὠυτὸ τοῦτο ἐγίνετο, εἶπε πρὸς τὸν ἄνδρα τὸν ἑωυτῆς· τὸν δὲ ἀκούσαντα ἐσῆλθε αὐτίκα ὡς εἴη τέρας καὶ φέροι μέγα τι. καλέσας δὲ τοὺς θῆτας προηγόρευέ σφι ἀπαλλάσσεσθαι ἐκ γῆς τῆς ἑωυτοῦ. [4] οἳ δὲ τὸν μισθὸν ἔφασαν δίκαιοι εἶναι ἀπολαβόντες οὕτω ἐξιέναι. ἐνθαῦτα ὁ βασιλεὺς τοῦ μισθοῦ πέρι ἀκούσας, ἦν γὰρ κατὰ τὴν καπνοδόκην ἐς τὸν οἶκον ἐσέχων ὁ ἥλιος, εἶπε θεοβλαβὴς γενόμενος «μισθὸν δὲ ὑμῖν ἐγὼ ὑμέων ἄξιον τόνδε ἀποδίδωμι,» δέξας τὸν ἥλιον. [5] ὁ μὲν δὴ Γαυάνης τε καὶ ὁ Ἀέροπος οἱ πρεσβύτεροι ἕστασαν ἐκπεπληγμένοι, ὡς ἤκουσαν ταῦτα· ὁ δὲ παῖς, ἐτύγχανε γὰρ ἔχων μάχαιραν, εἴπας τάδε «δεκόμεθα ὦ βασιλεῦ τὰ διδοῖς,» περιγράφει τῇ μαχαίρῃ ἐς τὸ ἔδαφος τοῦ οἴκου τὸν ἥλιον, περιγράψας δέ, ἐς τὸν κόλπον τρὶς ἀρυσάμενος τοῦ ἡλίου, ἀπαλλάσσετο αὐτός τε καὶ οἱ μετ᾽ ἐκείνου.
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Justini ka shpetuar nje liber te nje dijetari..qe nuk me vjen per momentin..edhe ai na jep te dhenat me te sakta qe per njohjen e historis se maqedonis...gjeni Justinin per kete ceshtje.

ai flet per nje maqedoni pellazge edhe te mbreteruar nga oborri Epiriot...etje
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Zeus10 wrote:Albpelasgian kam nje verrejtje te vogel per videon per Maqedonine. Herodoti nuk thote ne 8.137 qe vendi mbi ate x mal quhej me perpara Iliria. Ai thote kete:
Ne menyre eksplicite jo, por ne ate implicite po. Ne rrefenjen per tre vellezerit, Herodoti, thote se prej Argosit, ata u hodhen tek iliret, gje qe presupozon, se Iliri gjeografikisht duhet te kene qene edhe afersia e Orestise dmth Veriu (orestet kuptohet ishin ilire; sufiksi -st; me vone nje prijes kolloborator ilir me hunet, nese s;gaboj mbante kete emer) edhe ana lindore e saj dmth luginat e Haliakmonit, rrafshulta e Emathise, pervec Pierise e cila ishte Thrakase.

Marsyas of Pella ne Katalogun e Grave thote:
Makedon son of Zeus and Thyia, conquered the land then belonging to Thrace and he called it Macedonia after his name.

Μακεδών ὁ Διὸς καὶ Αἰθρίας κατασχὼν τὴν χώραν οὖσαν Θρᾴκης ἀφ' ἑαυτοῦ Μακεδονίαν προσηγόρευσεν:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makedon_(m ... ite_note-4
Apiani e lokalizon vendndodhjen e ketij Argosi:
Appian's History of Rome: The Syrian Wars (§§61-65)

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[§63] Thus Seleucus died at the age of seventy-three, having reigned forty-two years. It seems to me that the oracle hit the mark in his case when it said to him, "Do not hurry back to Europe; Asia will be much better for you," for Lysimacheia is in Europe, and he then crossed over to Europe for the first time after leaving it with the army of Alexander. It is said also that once when he consulted an oracle in reference to his own death he received this answer:

If you keep away from Argos you will reach your allotted year, but if you approach that place you will die before your time.

There is an Argos in Peloponnese, another in Amphilochia, another in Orestea (whence come the Macedonian Argeadae)
Edhe K.O.Mulleri dikur thote se Argeadet themeluesit e Maqedonise, ose miti argead duhet te kete buruar pikerisht prej ketij Argosi te Orestise dhe jo atij te Peleoponezit. Dicka, kesisoj shprehet edhe studiuesi modern E. Borza.

Thuhet se Straboni, Gjeografine, e tij e bazoi ne te dhenat e Hekateut ne shek.V. Dmth gjendja etnografike e pershkruar te Straboni i referohet shekullit V. Ne shekullin e V, simbas transmetimit te Strabonit ne Emathi [7.5.1]:
And there was also a city Emathia close to the sea. Now a part of this country was taken and held by certain of the Epeirotes and the Illyrians
Hamondi, mbi arkeologjine e Maqedonise, para kohes se Herodotit, thote:
The period of Illyrian control in the plain of Macedonia lasted from c. 800 to c. 650 B.C. The evidence has survived almost entirely in warrior-graves and women’s graves which were much less numerous. There were cremations sometimes in urns, as well as inhumations, large pithoi were used as coffins, e.g. at Vergina; and burials were grouped together, sometimes under a tumulus and sometimes not. New articles were bronze pendants of various kinds, bronze belt-plates, large bronze spectacle-fibulae, armlets of thin bronze wire and armlets of heavy bronze metal with incised decoration, and many bronze beads of various shapes. At Vergina, where the same cemetery was used for Illyrian chieftains, two new forms of bowl were evidently copied from wooden prototypes, such as are made by the Vlachs in modern times. New tumuli constructed for Illyrian chieftains contained many spearheads and spear-butts, sickle-shaped knives and heavy bracelets. The homeland of these new elements was in central Yugoslavia, and the typical site there was Glasinac, where the tumuli were numbered in thousands.
In the cemetery at Vergina the period of greatest prosperity, c. 900-800 B.C., was followed by radical changes and a growing impoverishment. In some tumuli the partly cremated remains were placed in urns, and sickle shaped knives with whetstones and spears over two metres in length with iron head and iron butt accompanied some of the warriors. In Upper Macedonia the presence of lllyrian rulers was shown by burials with similar weapons and ornaments at Visoi and Petilep in Pelagoma; at Pateli in Eordaea, and at Vucedol near Skopje and by Titov Veles. Objects typical of them have been found in small numbers at Kozani and at sites in the middle Haliacmon valley. To the east of the Vardar they seem to have driven the Paeonians back towards the Strymon valley, and there are concentrations of Illyrian objects at Kumanovo and at Radanja near Stip. Large numbers of tumuli are reported in this area; some at least were made probably for Illyrian warriors. Other groups of Illyrians established themselves in the middle Strymon valley, where their name in Classical times was the Maedi; in the Kumli valley between Doiran and Serres; and in the vicinity of Amphipolis. There were penetrations also into northwest Bulgaria and even beyond the Danube in Rumania.
The expansion of the Illyrian tribes had some effects also on northern and central Greece. At Vitsa in Zagori burials were made in shallow trenches, or in cist-graves roofed with branches on which stones were placed, or under a cairn of stones. The burials were close-packed; set in three layers, and very close to the settlement, and the cemetery was in use from just before 900 B.C. into the fifth century B.C. To judge from the objects buried with the dead this community had contacts with Barc, vergina, Vodhine, the Illyrians, and also southern Greece”.
( Hammond 1976: 154/155
Konkluzion: Maqedonia para-herodotiane duhet te jete quajtur pikerisht Iliri sepse Iliret (shih nenvizimet dhe boldin me lart) zoteronin tri luginat kyqe - jetike te 'Maqedonise': Vardarin (Aksiusin), Haliakmonin dhe Strymonin.

Aigai, kryeqyteti i mbreterve maqedone, ka qene themelim ilir:

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I shkelqyeshmi, W.W.Tarn thote:
The Illyrian element must be traced on other lines. The Macedonian capital of Pella was certainly an Illyrian foundation, as its old name Bounomos shows; and the same may be true of other towns also, though, except in the case of Pella, we know only the names which they bore in historical times.
Pra, te gjitha provat e mundshme perligjin se Herodoti do te kete implikuar termin Iliri dhe Thraki per ate qe me vone na u be Maqedoni.
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Dakort, por kur jepet citimi si nje fakt i drejteperdrejte, krijon pak mosbesim tek lexuesi, sidomos tek ata qe kane lexuar ceshtjen. Eshte tjeter gje pastaj komenti dhe interpretimi qe i bejme ne. Nese videoja do i nenshtrohej kritikes, ai momemt ku shpallet si thenie e Herodotit qe ai vend quhej me pare Iliria, do te rrezohej lehtesisht, dhe fare mire mund te quhej abuzim me burimin.
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Zeus10 wrote:Dakort, por kur jepet citimi si nje fakt i drejteperdrejte, krijon pak mosbesim tek lexuesi, sidomos tek ata qe kane lexuar ceshtjen. Eshte tjeter gje pastaj komenti dhe interpretimi qe i bejme ne. Nese videoja do i nenshtrohej kritikes, ai momemt ku shpallet si thenie e Herodotit qe ai vend quhej me pare Iliria, do te rrezohej lehtesisht, dhe fare mire mund te quhej abuzim me burimin.
Tani po e veneroj, se interpretimi im, ka qene i nxituar. Po te ishte i bashkeshoqeruar me shpjegimet shtese te mesiperme atere do te ishte ne rregull ose te pakten ta formuloja ne kete menyre qe: 'Herodotus imply...'.
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http://de.academic.ru/dic.nsf/lat2deu/17673/Emathia

Emathia

Emathia

Ēmathia, ae, f. (Ἠμαθία), alter Name Mazedoniens, Plin. 4, 33. Iustin. 7, 1, 1. Verg. georg. 4, 390: später Name einer Landschaft Mazedoniens zwischen den Bergen Bermius u. Dysorum u. der Landschaft Bottiäa, westl. vom Axios, südl. vom Erigon, Liv. 44, 44, 5 sqq. Pacat. pan. 46, 3 (nach Liv. 40, 3, 3 alter Name von Päonia). – poet. auch für das angrenzende Thessalien, Verg. georg. 1, 492 (dazu Voß S. 202). – Dav.: A) Ēmathis, idis, f. (Ἠμαθίς), emathisch, poet. = thessalisch, tellus, Thessalien, Lucan.; dass. subst., Emathis, Lucan.: u. Plur. subst., Emathides, die Pieriden, Ov. – B) Ēmathius, a, um, emathisch, poet. a) = mazedonisch, dux, d.i. Alexander der Gr., Ov.: tecta, d.i. Alexandria, Lucan. – b) = thessalisch, u. insbes. für pharsalisch, vertex, der Pelion, Ps. Verg. Ciris 34: caedes, Ov.: arva, terrae litus, Lucan.: acies, Lucan.: Philippi, Lucan. – c) = thrazisch, ventus, Lucil. 41 (b. Rufin. de fig. sent. § 26).
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Ne se Maqedonia do i perkiste te ashtuquajtures Greqi, perse kjo e fundit duhet te dergonte kolone dhe te ndertonte koloni ne brigjet Maqedonase? Nuk eshte aspak e natyrshme qe dikush te ndertoje Koloni ne territorin e vet dhe do ishte diçka me te vertet jo natyrale dhe pa baze per pretendime territoriale dhe etnike nje veprim i tille. Maqedonet sikurse Iliret dhe Epirotet ishin te organizuar ne "ethne"=TRIBE=KLANE, diçka e huaj per boten e keshtuquajtur greke"!

Shkeputur prej: "The Cambridge Ancient History, Volume 3", faqe,283
Autore: John Boardman,N. G. L. Hammond


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