Diskutim per etnicitetin e grekeve.

[faon perrovarri]

Alfeko,per mua mendimi ,konkluzioni yt eshte i qarte dhe i sakt deri ketu, tani tregoju amatorve diletante te historio-grafise shqiptaro-greke ,mesoju ceshte feja si lindi, cilet e shfrytezuan,dhe cilet faktore shoqerore qe e mbajne gjalle.
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Οι αλβανοι θεωρουντε εικοτοσ πατερεσ τησ ελληνικησ φιλησ
--Θ.ΑΠΑΣΧΙΔΗΣ
--ΕΝ ΑΘΗΝΑΙΣ
ΤΥΠΟΙΣ <<ΕΘΝΙΚΟΥ ΠΝΕΥΜΑΤΟΣ>> 1879

[alfeko sukaraku]

nuk e besoj se konflikti yte me antaret e ketij forumi eshte nje konflikt qe i perket vetem kesaj ceshtje..diku i ke prekur , pasi kete ceshtje ata e njohin forte mire.

[Mallakastrioti]

Greek history (1900)


Author: Swoboda, Heinrich
Subject: Greece -- History
Publisher: London




...dhe paskeshim ardhur ne nga Kaukazi?

[ALBPelasgian]

Kjo eshte predhe e vertete, Mallakaster!

E di ate aksidentin e dy aeroplaneve ushtarak grek? ...Dyshoj qe kjo predhe i ka rrezuar

[Hellassoldier]

Greek history (1900)


Author: Swoboda, Heinrich
Subject: Greece -- History
Publisher: London




...dhe paskeshim ardhur ne nga Kaukazi?

A slavic writer bringing about a big lie. The Greeks were long before Illyrians inhabitating the Balkans and their origin is pure.

[Arbëri]

Greek history (1900)


Author: Swoboda, Heinrich
Subject: Greece -- History
Publisher: London




...dhe paskeshim ardhur ne nga Kaukazi?

A slavic writer bringing about a big lie. The Greeks were long before Illyrians inhabitating the Balkans and their origin is pure.

A slavic writer bringing about a big lie

True !

The Greeks were long before Illyrians inhabitating the Balkans and their origin is pure

Bring some facts to see where we are mister!

[ALBPelasgian]

A slavic writer bringing about a big lie.

The author in this passage just repeat what most scholars of his time believed. By the way, the Pelasgian origin of Albanians was (and is) the prevalent opinion by world-wide historical community.

The Greeks were long before Illyrians inhabitating the Balkans and their origin is pure.

That's a matter of a misleading opinion (of N.G.L Hammond and other lunatics) and not a matter of facts (literary records, language, myths, culture, anthropology etc). I guess that you have huge troubles to understand some keywords: Pelasgians, Pre-Hellenes, Illyrians, Hellenes, etc.

Let me welcome to the real world:

Now Hecataeus of Miletus says of the Peloponnesus that before the time of the Greeks it was inhabited by barbarians. Yet one might say that in the ancient times the whole of Greece was a settlement of barbarians, if one reasons from the traditions themselves: Pelops brought over peoples from Phrygia to the Peloponnesus that received its name from him; and Danaüs from Egypt; whereas the Dryopes, the Caucones, the Pelasgi, the Leleges, and other such peoples, apportioned among themselves the parts that are inside the isthmus — and also the parts outside, for Attica was once held by the Thracians who came with Eumolpus, Daulis in Phocis by Tereus, Cadmeia by the Phoenicians who came with Cadmus, and Boeotia itself by the Aones and Temmices and Hyantes. According to Pindar, there was a time when the Boeotian tribe was called "Syes." Moreover, the barbarian origin of some is indicated by their names — Cecrops, Codrus, Aïclus, Cothus, Drymas, and Crinacus. And even to the present day the Thracians, Illyrians, and Epeirotes live on the flanks of the Greeks (though this was still more the case formerly than now); indeed most of the country that at the present time is indisputably Greece is held by the barbarians — Macedonia and certain parts of Thessaly by the Thracians, and the parts above Acarnania and Aetolia by the Thesproti, the Cassopaei, the Amphilochi, the Molossi, and the Athamanes — Epeirotic tribes.

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...trabo/7G*.html

"the Pelasg that is the people before the Hellas Greeks, were Illyrian. Their language would have been Indo-Germanic, a dialect of the Illyrian-Thracian language, and Etruskan was a later dialect of the latter. The Thracians and Illyrians would have been the link between the central (Italic, Greek, Aryan) and the southern (Pelasg, Luwiy, Hittite) Indo-Germanic groups".

Vladimir Ivanov Georgiev

I wonder why Illyrians represent remarkably the Pre-Hellenic world (that is to say Mycenian period) while Hellenes of Classical age share little or nothing with Pelasgians.

The Illyrians and Thracians proper all tattooed, as did the ancient Mycenians; there is evidence to show that there was a large Illyrian element in Epirus, where, as we saw above (p.94), there were many tribes which called themselves Pelasgian…We have seen that there was no sharp line between the speech of Illyrians and Thesprotians or Thessalians|

http://books.google.com/books?id=kXA...eneans&f=false

Btw, please do appear more often here because we amuse ourselves seeing and hearing your jokes!

[petritkola]

Disa materiale te kohes...

[petritkola]

Materiale te kohes.

[Mallakastrioti]

Po e vendos ketu si video e shihni si kendojne e kercejne shqipo-arvanitasit (shiheni deri ne fund se ja vlen dhe sidomos elementet kryesore si p:sh muzika dhe veglat muzikore,-daullja- apo edhe skena dhe koreografia)

[Arbëri]

"Mallakastrioti"

Po e vendos ketu si video e shihni si kendojne e kercejne shqipo-arvanitasit (shiheni deri ne fund se ja vlen dhe sidomos elementet kryesore si p:sh muzika dhe veglat muzikore,-daullja- apo edhe skena dhe koreografia)

..pasi ra fjala te arvanitasit , me intereson kjo kenge me titullin : " U jam një vllahe bukure " , kendon Vllehen e bukur por ne gjuhen shqipe ... Sikur deri para disa vitesh flisnin te njejten gjuhe me Vllehet ??
Eshte kjo kenge e vjeter .

[Mallakastrioti]

Nje gabim i autorit ne perkthimin e fjaleve nga arvanitika (shqip) ne greqisht -shih nenvizimet-?




"Ore Thanasi,ore Kostandini,jam Gjika,jam (nga) Shkodra,jam Kristian"----pasi ky eshte perkthimi i sakt dhe jo ai qe shkruan autori,qe e perkthen gabim ne greqisht:

"...edhe une jam grua,edhe une jam i krishtere edhe une jam skllav...)????


Shkeputur nga libri:

"Apomnēmoneumata peri tēs Hellēnikēs epanastaseōs"
Phōtakos

[Mallakastrioti]

Do ju lutesha per nje perkthim te sakt ne shqip kesaj kenge qe kendonin greket per Gjoleken:

[Mallakastrioti]

Pylli?



Hē Parga, ētoi Monographia autēs apo tēs ktiseōs mechri tēs para ...
Panagiōtēs A. Salampantas - 1861 -

[Trojan]

Do ju lutesha per nje perkthim te sakt ne shqip kesaj kenge qe kendonin greket per Gjoleken:

C'eshte kjo e keqe qe po ndodh dhe trondtije e madhe
Arvanitija(shqiperia) u mblodh dhe ngriti koke.
E kane te paret te fshehte dhe te varferit ne pagese.
vejne Hodhon bimbash , Gjoleken Sarasqer.
Mbreti sa e mori vesh , nuk i erdhi mire

Dergon sarasqer pashen, qendron(kampon) ne Berat,
Fillon dhe djeg fshatrat , dhe shtepite
Kap te kryetaret dhe te vegjelit per ti ber nizem!!(jenicer mbase)
Ne Delvine i dergon pa asnje Dyfek

Dergon Husin pashen, kampon ne Filat
Mbledh te gjithe camet ne turma
I therr si delet ....

Ne Janine i dergon , ne qytet
Ahmet agai del me kembe,Xhafar agai mbi kal
Qajne nena per femij, gra per burra
Qan dhe nena e Celit ,zonja ime
Ah, ku je dhe nuk dukesh...


pak a shume perkthimi