"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
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Ne nje teme te kaluar, me te drejte u soll dhe komentua si shqip nje fjale "greke" e lashte dhe pikerisht ajo per mesditen. Une deshiroj te ndaloj dhe njehere per te sjelle disa elemente grafike dhe ideor per kete term. Ky term ne """greqishten""" e lashte paraqitet keshtu:

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Gjithkush e dallon fjalen MES(mesi-e shquar) ne kete fjale, por ajo qe ben pershtypje eshte fjala MBRIA. Per te shpjeguar kete do te shtrojme pyetjen: 'Çfare eshte mesdita?'.
Te gjithe e dime qe mesdita eshte ai moment i levizjes se DIELLIT kur ai arrin pozicionin maksimal ne lartesi ne mes te kupes qiellore per ate stine te vitit, le ta paraqesim me nje skeme te thjeshte:

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Eshte fare e qarte se ne trajektoren e levizjes se diellit, mesdita eshte ai pozicion gjeografiko-kohor, kur diell MBRIN NE MES ose e thene fjale per fjale:
Ne mes mbrrin
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Vete fjala MBREMJE gjithashtu, tregon pozicionin perfundimtar te diellit, pra tregon MBRITJEN e tij, per te "vdekur" disa ore dhe per te "rilindur" te nesermen ne mengjes.
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Shume qarte Zeus.Flm. Sakt dhe sidomos SHQIP!

por ngaqe ndesha edhe une ne diçka te tille me lindi dyshimi mos valle fjala "Bri-a" ka te beje me "Diellin"?...p.sh Bry-ndisum (Apo --Bri-ndezur,apo Diell-ndezur,ku lind Dielli?)----kerkojne ta shpjegojne se ka lidhje me fjalen Bri (te kafshes)?
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Mallakastrioti wrote:Shume qarte Zeus.Flm. Sakt dhe sidomos SHQIP!

por ngaqe ndesha edhe une ne diçka te tille me lindi dyshimi mos valle fjala "Bri-a" ka te beje me "Diellin"?...p.sh Bry-ndisum (Apo --Bri-ndezur,apo Diell-ndezur,ku lind Dielli?)----kerkojne ta shpjegojne se ka lidhje me fjalen Bri (te kafshes)?
Cmendim ke per kete?
Nuk mendoj se ka te beje direkt me ato qe ke sjelle, por indirekt. Jam shume i bindur, se dhe vete fjala MBREMJE psh, eshte nje emer foljor i shqipes se vjeter, qe dhe vete ne ia kemi harruar prejardhjen:

e lexueme ----> lexoj(origjina)
e ecme------->eci
e shikueme------> shikoj

MBREMJE----> e mbrime, mbërrij(mbrij ne gjuhen popullore)


Persa i perket BRYNDIZUM mendoj se eshte e perbere ashtu sic e ke prashtruar ti:
bryndizum---> bry +ndizum ku
ndizum eshte po nje emer foljor qe buron nga folja ndez
kurse fjala bry mbeshtetur nga eksperianca qe kam krijuar duke studjuar tingujt ""greke"", mendoj se eshte pikerisht fjala MBRI, sepse b-ja ne krye te fjales ne fakt paraqet nje digrame. Megjithate dhe fjala bri i ndezur ben plot kuptim ne shqip dhe ne shqip eshte.
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Ndesha ne diçka interesante p.sh si me poshte:

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Bryges or Briges (Greek: Βρύγοι or Βρίγες) is the historical name given to a people of the ancient Balkans. The earliest mentionings of the Bryges are contained in the historical writings of Herodotus, who relates them to Phrygians by stating that, according to the Macedonians, the Bryges "changed their name" to Phryges after migrating into Anatolia, a movement which is thought to have happened between 1200 BC and 800 BC perhaps due to the Bronze Age collapse, particularly the fall of the Hittite Empire and the power vacuum that was created. In the Balkans, the Bryges occupied central Albania and northern Epirus,as well as Macedonia.

Βρύγοι=Bri-dhioi=Bri Dhi?

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Po, kjo sepse protuberancat(rrezet e diellit) gjate vezhgimit nga te lashtet u konsideruan brire.

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DIELLI eshte hyu qe DJEG, ashtu sic eshte DJALLI zoti i vendit ku digjen e pervelohen shpirtrat:

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dhe gjate procesit te mohimit te zotave te vjeter dhe simboleve te tyre, sic ishte nena e zotit DIELL(dias apo zeus), Amalthia, krishterimi i shnderroi ato ne simbol te te keqes duke i demonizuar:

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por ajo ishte simboli i dashur i te pareve tane, qe gjithe shqiptaret e ditur, duhet ta respektojne si dikur.
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Mallakastrioti wrote:Bryges or Briges (Greek: Βρύγοι or Βρίγες) is the historical name given to a people of the ancient Balkans. The earliest mentionings of the Bryges are contained in the historical writings of Herodotus, who relates them to Phrygians by stating that, according to the Macedonians, the Bryges "changed their name" to Phryges after migrating into Anatolia, a movement which is thought to have happened between 1200 BC and 800 BC perhaps due to the Bronze Age collapse, particularly the fall of the Hittite Empire and the power vacuum that was created. In the Balkans, the Bryges occupied central Albania and northern Epirus,as well as Macedonia.

Βρύγοι=Bri-dhioi=Bri Dhi?

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Mundet, por ne kemi dhe nje fjale tjeter ne shqip BRIGJE, qe fare mire mund ti bente Βρίγες banoret e brigjeve. Mos te harrojme qe keta jane banoret qe i thoshin bukes buke dhe ne e dime cdomethene kjo.
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Teme e vyer Zeus! Kjo perbersja tematike -bria sikur afron me kalendarin e vecante te maqedonasve pellazgjik. Per me teper shih shtjellimin qe i ben Condrad Malte Bruni:

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Vazhdojme me renditjen e muajve maqedonas:
The Ancient Macedonian calendar is the calendar that was in use in ancient Macedon in the 1st millennium BC. It consisted of 12 synodic Lunar months (i.e. 354 days per year), which needed intercalary months to stay in step with the seasons. By the time the calendar was being used across the Hellenistic world, 7 total embolimoi (intercalary months) were being added in each 19-year Metonic cycle.

· Δίος (Dios, moon of October)
· Απελλαίος (Apellaios, moon of November, also a Dorian month - Apellaiōn was a Tenian month)
· Αυδναίος or Αυδηναίος (Audnaios or Audēnaios, moon of December)
· Περίτιος (Peritios, moon of January)
· Δύστρος (Dystros, moon of February)
· Ξανδικός or Ξανθικός (Xandikos or Xanthikos, moon of March)
· Ξανδικός Εμβόλιμος (Xandikos Embolimos, intercalated 6 times over a 19-year cycle)
· Αρτεμίσιος or Αρταμίτιος (Artemisios or Artamitios, moon of April, also a Spartan, Rhodian and Epidaurian month - Artemisiōn was an Ionic month)
· Δαίσιος (Daisios, moon of May)
· Πάνημος or Πάναμος (Panēmos or Panamos, moon of June, also an Epidaurian, Miletian, Samian and Corinthian month)
· Λώιος (Lōios, moon of July - Ομολώιος, Homolōios, was an Aetolian, Boeotian and Thessalian month)
· Γορπιαίος (Gorpiaios, moon of August)
· Υπερβερεταίος (Hyperberetaios, moon of September - Hyperberetos was a Cretan month)
· Υπερβερεταίος Εμβόλιμος (Hyperberetaios Embolimos, intercalated once over a 19-year cycle)
Υπερβερεταίος = berataios<=>mberriti (?) + hyper <=>epër;
Περίτιος = βερεταίος = Mbërriti (shqip).
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Perse-ne e krijimit te pseudo-shteteve te quajtur "Greece" and "Macedonia"... Nje pergjigje perse shqiptareve edhe sot e kesaj dite i mbyllen dyert e dijes dhe jeteses ne mbare boten dhe perse perpjeken me e njollose identitetin e shqiptarit kudo qe shkon, po ashtu me gjitha fatkeqsirat politike (Zogu, Hoxha, Berisha & Co.) dhe tkurrjen e tokave, urrejtjen dhe asimilimin nga ana e botes sllavo-greko-ortodoke dhe osmanet etj... Perse gjuhes tone, dhe vetem gjuhes tone, ne qender te "kontinent te vjeter", ju ndalua egersisht shkrimi dhe perse donin ta zhduknin gjuhen qe ruajnin shqiptaret me tradita e kokefortesi...
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Meqenese Mayeri dhe te tjere, mendon se per fjalet e thjeshta, eshte shqipja ajo qe huazon, une kam sjelle dhe do te sjelle shume fjale te perbera. Çdo fjale e perbere, ne attikisht(sipas "dijes" greqisht), perbehet nga fjale me te thjeshta, te perdorimit popullor shqip. Nje nga ato eshte fjala njerezit, ose e thene ndryshe : njerezimi.

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Siç e dime te gjithe, njerezimi, eshte bashkesia biologjike e species me emrin NJERI, qe dallon nga cdo specie tjeter pikerisht per mprehtesine e organit kryesor MENJES(mëndjes) dhe aftesise per te NJOHUR dhe MEMORIZUAR, qe eshte perseri e lidhur me MENDJEN.
Prandaj dhe fjala """greke"" PREU-MENJA, nuk eshte as me pak dhe as me shume, por ajo qe ne kuptojme shqip.
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