"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
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Etimologjia e fjales.

Diskutim profesional për gjuhën.
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Mallakastrioti wrote:
Analiza ka te beje me rrokjen e fundit ="lesh" apo "laos"---si eshte e mundur te jete ne nje fjale qe perdoret ne nje fshat te humbur te Mallakaster edhe biles as ne fshatrat fqinje?
Sepse vetem zonat rurale dhe te humbura, flasin akoma gjuhen sic eshte folur brezi pas brezi per mijra vjete, te pakorruptuar nga Kongreset Drejteshkrimore, dhe standartet gjuhesore.
Une e kam shprehur disa here, greqishtja e vjeter eshte nje laberishte ne gojen e nje gegu.
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very interesting this whole thread .....me jan apur syt memir
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Zeus10 wrote:Mendoj se fjala Laos eshte e prejardhur nga fjala: shqipe (me) le
Po ashtu eshte dhe fjala popull, e prejardhur nga sinonimi : (me) pjell
Pra populli eshte dicka shume e shtuar(e lerë).
Fjala popël(popla e shquar) buron nga e njejta llogjike, guret jane me shumice ne toke, ne nje vend si ai qe banojne perdoruesit e kesaj gjuhe, shqiptaret.
However, two problems are still unresolved:
first, the analysis just proposed presupposes that λᾶας is ultimately derived from a
root *leh2-, for which no further evidence is known.


me shume ketu :


http://scholar.harvard.edu/sites/schola ... gether.pdf



Une besoj qe mund te kete lidhje edhe me fjalen Lash'të...
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Trojan wrote:
Zeus10 wrote:Mendoj se fjala Laos eshte e prejardhur nga fjala: shqipe (me) le
Po ashtu eshte dhe fjala popull, e prejardhur nga sinonimi : (me) pjell
Pra populli eshte dicka shume e shtuar(e lerë).
Fjala popël(popla e shquar) buron nga e njejta llogjike, guret jane me shumice ne toke, ne nje vend si ai qe banojne perdoruesit e kesaj gjuhe, shqiptaret.
However, two problems are still unresolved:
first, the analysis just proposed presupposes that λᾶας is ultimately derived from a
root *leh2-, for which no further evidence is known.


me shume ketu :


http://scholar.harvard.edu/sites/schola ... gether.pdf
Trojan, nuk e kuptova mire thelbin e kundershtimit tend dhe argumentin qe ke dhene per te rrezuar tezen time?
Une kembengul:
laos(popull) buron nga folja shqip: me le(me lind)
per arsyen se populli eshte nje mase e madhe njerezish, pra futet koncepti i shtimit, lindjes, pjelljes.
Une besoj qe mund te kete lidhje edhe me fjalen Lash'të
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Ndonje argument per kete, linguistik apo semantik?
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Zeus10 wrote:
Trojan wrote:
Zeus10 wrote:Mendoj se fjala Laos eshte e prejardhur nga fjala: shqipe (me) le
Po ashtu eshte dhe fjala popull, e prejardhur nga sinonimi : (me) pjell
Pra populli eshte dicka shume e shtuar(e lerë).
Fjala popël(popla e shquar) buron nga e njejta llogjike, guret jane me shumice ne toke, ne nje vend si ai qe banojne perdoruesit e kesaj gjuhe, shqiptaret.
However, two problems are still unresolved:
first, the analysis just proposed presupposes that λᾶας is ultimately derived from a
root *leh2-, for which no further evidence is known.


me shume ketu :


http://scholar.harvard.edu/sites/schola ... gether.pdf
Trojan, nuk e kuptova mire thelbin e kundershtimit tend dhe argumentin qe ke dhene per te rrezuar tezen time?
Une kembengul:
laos(popull) buron nga folja shqip: me le(me lind)
per arsyen se populli eshte nje mase e madhe njerezish, pra futet koncepti i shtimit, lindjes, pjelljes.
Une besoj qe mund te kete lidhje edhe me fjalen Lash'të
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Ndonje argument per kete, linguistik apo semantik?

1)Nuk e shkruajta per te rrezuar tezen tende... me ate qe shkrojta doja ta bazoja ate qe shkruajte nga nje linguist..
2)Mund te kete lidhje me Lashte dmth i vjeter (kohen e gurit), "njeriu i gurit" si mendon ti !!!!
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FIER (I)=POIAN (I)=APOLLONI ?

Sa mund te qendroje hipoteza qe po shkruaj me poshte?


Kam ndeshur shume here ne keto hipoteza qe personalisht i quaj teje te pa matura rreth emertimit te qytetit te Fierit,si p.sh qe .........ka derivant nga fjala italiane FIERA etj.

Por le te guxojme per nje çast te shkojme mbas ne shekuj dhe kohe,pikerisht ne epoken e Bizantit e te merremi me etimologjine apo perberjen e fjales POJAN, apo POIAN.Ndoshta do me kundershtonin studiuesit qe ka te beje kjo e fundit me fjalen "greke" --POLIS apo ate sllave "POLJE"
Te gjithe dime qe ka te beje me me rrenjen e emrit te Apolonise se lashte ilire,deri ketu shume studiues serioz bien dakort qe emertimi POJAN=barazohet me APOLONIA.
Po me FIERI çfare lidhje ka POJAN,apo POIAN?
Ne se eshte e vertet rregulli i korruptimit te shkronjave te keshtuquajtura greke ne lashtesi dhe perberja e shkronjes "F" barazohet me "PH" patjeter qe po ta zhvendosnim do te kishim P(H)IERI.
Por kjo nuk mjafton sigurisht te gjejme ngjashmerine ne dy fjalet.Le te merremi atehere me shnderrimet e shkronjave qe ka qene normale ne lashtesi,pra me shkronjat qe ndermjetesoheshin pikerisht ate "R" dhe "N" qe shume here zevendesonin njera-tjetren.Shkronja "J" patjeter qe bie dhe magjikisht do kishim diçka te tille:

POIAR (I)=FIER (I)

...dhe ne mos gaboj ne dy shkronjat "O & I" ajo fitimtare eshte gjithmone "I" apo jo? :)
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gr. λᾶας.. shqip kemi lem, léni < shq. me lé, që ka lerë, i lemë

- lem, léni: komb, nacion, polem. Vjen prej foljes me le, që ka lerë, i lemë. Edhe nation që e përdorin gjuhët neolatine, si dhe anglishtja e gjermanishtja, lidhet me foljen me le në latinisht. Lem e ka Kanuni i Skanderbegut («Me i dhanë lemit e polemit nji të keqe të msheftë?») ndërsa leni e ka Gazulli (Gazulli e lidh me i lemë, 'i lindur'); edhe polem është ndërtuar me parashtesën po + lëm. Shqipja, ndryshe prej gjuhëve europiane si anglishtja, frengjishtja, gjermanishtja, italishtja, spanjishtja, rusishtja etj., e ka dy fjalë të pastra të vetat për këtë nocion.
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Jo vetem kaq, por dhe fjala "greke" λᾶας eshte pikerisht folja shqipe lë ne kohen e shkuar lash-ë.
Kaq e vertete eshte kjo, sa fjala e lashte, eshte po kjo fjale me prapashtesen perkatese te shqipes se sotme, lash+te, sepse e kaluara, eshte nje kohe qe e ke lene pas. Nuk eshte gjithashtu rastesi qe pa-laios=lash-te.

Po, gjithashtu POLLA do te thote: po lë (trashegimtare)
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CA gjera=Disa gjera..."CA" =krahinore

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Te "TANA GRA" paskan qene te uruarit ne ate qytet :)

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Paska pasur nje shtet ne Peleponez quajtur "EPIRUS"?---kete hera e pare qe e ndesh.Permendur ne Iliaden e Homerit.


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Mallakastrioti wrote:Te "TANA GRA" paskan qene te uruarit ne ate qytet :)

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Graeci popull grash ishte i gjithi -lol-
Dhe e bëmë me besa besën ja të rrojmë ja të vdesëm!

Ishte thënë prej Zotit që të nderohen armët e Shqipërisë!
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Mallakastrioti wrote:Te "TANA GRA" paskan qene te uruarit ne ate qytet :)

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Tanagra (Greek: Τανάγρα) is a community north of Athens in Boeotia, not far from Thebes, that was noted in antiquity for its mass-produced mold-cast and fired terracotta figurines: see Tanagra figurine. Pausanias mentions in its location the ancient city of Graea, eponymous of the Graikoi, a Boeotian tribe whose name gave rise to the Latin Graecus "Greek". Homer, while reciting the Boeotian forces in the Iliad 's Catalogue of Ships, provides the first known reference to the Boeotian city of Graea.

Θέσπειαν Γραῖάν τε καὶ εὐρύχορον Μυκαλησσόν,
οἵ τ᾽ ἀμφ᾽ Ἅρμ᾽ ἐνέμοντο καὶ Εἰλέσιον καὶ Ἐρυθράς,
οἵ τ᾽ Ἐλεῶν᾽ εἶχον ἠδ᾽ Ὕλην καὶ Πετεῶνα,

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Qe Hellada apo Graecia eshte vendi i grave, Homeri na e konfirmon dhe ne nje vend tjeter(Iliada :
2-683)
νῦν αὖ τοὺς ὅσσοι τὸ Πελασγικὸν Ἄργος ἔναιον,
οἵ τ᾽ Ἄλον οἵ τ᾽ Ἀλόπην οἵ τε Τρηχῖνα νέμοντο,
οἵ τ᾽ εἶχον Φθίην ἠδ᾽ Ἑλλάδα καλλιγύναικα,
Μυρμιδόνες δὲ καλεῦντο καὶ Ἕλληνες καὶ Ἀχαιοί,
τῶν αὖ πεντήκοντα νεῶν ἦν ἀρχὸς Ἀχιλλεύς.

pjesa me blu: Hellas vendi i grave te bukura


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