"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

Why do we call it Greece while it's Albanian land?

Sillni harta historike fiziko-politike-etnografike, që pasqyrojnë realitetin etnik dhe politik të një rajoni të caktuar, në një periudhë të caktuar.

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Charles C. Moskos - 1989 - 204 pages
Father's Family All sides of the Moskos family were Greek Orthodox and identified as Greek. Yet my father's mother, Helen, spoke only Albanian, and it was Albanian which was the language of the home. My father's father John was...
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Ja edhe njehere menyra si "piku" kombi "grek":

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Me ka pelqyer gjithnje fshati shqiptar i quajtur Athine:
There existed only the local dialects of the spoken language. These were little more than patois. No one was pre-eminent. Athens was a petty village of 300 houses, and its population chiefly Albanian.

Johnson's universal cyclopaedia: Volume 4 Charles Kendall Adams - 1895

The universal cyclopaedia 1900
Ne sot po hedhim faren me emrin Bashkim,
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Kontributi qenesor i Arberoreve ne debimin e Turqise dhe krjimin e 'Eladhes':

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Faleminderit shume Agrian per kete nxerrje aq te rendesishme !
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eshte vertete ironike,Ali pasha mendonte se i kontrollonte greket dhe levizjen e tyre do e perdorte per interesin e vet por ne te vertete ishin greket qe e perdoren Ali pashen per qellimet e tyre.
Dhe e bëmë me besa besën ja të rrojmë ja të vdesëm!

Ishte thënë prej Zotit që të nderohen armët e Shqipërisë!
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erix77 wrote:eshte vertete ironike,Ali pasha mendonte se i kontrollonte greket dhe levizjen e tyre do e perdorte per interesin e vet por ne te vertete ishin greket qe e perdoren Ali pashen per qellimet e tyre.
Ne te vertete u bene si u bene punet (shkaku i Perandorise Osmane) sepse po te realizohej skenari i Ali Pashes zor se do te kishte sot Greqi.

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Puna eshte se Aliu doli hapur kunder Portes vetem kur Greket prapa kraheve nxiten porten e larte te sulmonte Aliun per shkaqe taksash.Grekeve ju interesonte nje Lufte midis Aliut dhe Portes sepse do ju krijonte liri veprimi per qellimet e tyre politike dhe ata perdoren gjithfare inskenimesh per te bere te mundur kete lufte.Pra greket e perdoren me se miri Aliun i cilli ra brenda ne kurthin e tyre.
Dhe e bëmë me besa besën ja të rrojmë ja të vdesëm!

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Po e perkthej dhe njehere kete pasazh, sepse mendoj se kaloi pa vemendjen qe meritonte:

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......shqiptaret..................ata gjenden dhe ne territorin grek................. dhe mesa duket kane okupuar dikur te gjithe vendin(Greqine)....deri ne Athine...... pa folur per zenjen Morese nga ana e tyre
Shtrohet perseri pyetja: 'Pse e therresim Greqi, kur ajo eshte toke shqiptare?!'
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Mesa duket elikranoni nuk po e ndjek kete teme!
Dhe e bëmë me besa besën ja të rrojmë ja të vdesëm!

Ishte thënë prej Zotit që të nderohen armët e Shqipërisë!
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erix77
Asgjekundi nuk kam lexuar se greket ishin ata qe shtyne Porten e Larte ne konfrontim me Ali pashen. Nga sa eshte shkruar, Ali pasha e pesoj nga pangopesia e tij. Dhe pika u mbush kur u konfrontua me Ismail Pasho bej te Vlores dhe ky i fundit arriti te shpetoje dhe mberriti gjer ne Stamboll dhe beri c`ishte e mundur per tu denuar Ali pasha. Dhe ia arriti qellimit.
Greket kane gisht vetem ne kete. Shume pak kohe para revolucionit, Veliu, djali i Aliut ishte pashai i Tripolices, kryeqendres se Morese. Qeverisja e tij ngjalli shume reagime dhe per here te pare nje Grek, nje Turk dhe nje Hebre i dergojne nje leter te perbashket Sulltanit ku ankohen per qeverisjen e tij. Porta e Larte e shkarkoj Veliun dhe e dergoj ne Trikalle. Ndoshta ketu qendron gabimi i Aliut qe nuk mbeshteti me ndikimin e tij djalin e tij ate moment, se keshtu kontrollonte dhe Morene dhe mund te thuhet mbare territoret helladike. Dhe nqs do ishte Veli pasha akoma ne More gjate shperthimit te Revolucionit Grek, kuptohet qe edhe per Aliun gjerat do ishin ndryshe.
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Porta e Larte gjer ne fund nevleresoj Revolucionin Grek. Eshte domethenes cfare kam lexuar ne nje liber. Pak para shperthimit te Revolucionit dikush dekonspiroj ne Stamboll pergatitjet qe beheshin. Porta e Larte urdheroj burgosjen e tij per perhapjen e lajmeve te rreme. Me vone, me shperthimin e revolucionit e vrane ngaqe nuk kishte qene bindes per sa thoshte.
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Zeus
Me shume brenga po e mbush veten he burre!
Se edhe kjo pyetja jote "'Pse e therresim Greqi, kur ajo eshte toke shqiptare?!", brenge eshte.
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elikranon wrote:Zeus
Me shume brenga po e mbush veten he burre!
Se edhe kjo pyetja jote "'Pse e therresim Greqi, kur ajo eshte toke shqiptare?!", brenge eshte.

elikranon nuk jane brenga aspak, por ndoshta nje dite do lexojme ndryshe historine....ndoshta nje dite do dali qe shqiptaret kane banuar Morene edhe me heret se ato dyndjet e famshme te shek 13 qe shkruhen neper libra....ndoshta dikush do hapi ato libra te uruar ku jane shkruar shume gjera qe nuk dime ende.

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