"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

Te fillojme nga puna.

Këtu mund të flisni mbi historinë tonë duke sjellë fakte historike për ndriçimin e asaj pjese të historisë mbi të cilen ka rënë harresa e kohës dhe e njerëzve.
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ALBPelasgian wrote:KERKESE PER NDIHME

Sot e kam pergatitur nje permbledhje te shkelqyeshme te bazuar ne fakte, referenca e burime te sigurta mbi Shqiptaresine e pamohueshme e Epirit. Per te jehuar ky shkrim ashtu sic i ka hije, duhet te jete i perkthyer me patjeter ne Gjuhen Angleze.

Do te ishte Jashtezakonisht e Vlefshme qe ndonjeri qe ka aftesi dhe zoteron mire anglishten, por edhe vullnet ta perktheje kete tekst. Teksti nuk eshte i gjate me shume se 2 faqe e gjysme. Ndaj, ju lutem ai qe synon te me ndihmoje le te me kontaktoje permes mesazhit privat, qe t'ia dergoje tekstin per ta perkthyer.
Postoje ne kete teme, ose dergoje me mesazh privat. Une dhe disa pjesetare tjeter te stafit do te punojme per ta perkthyer ne menyre te pranueshme.
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Arta wrote:
ALBPelasgian wrote:KERKESE PER NDIHME

Sot e kam pergatitur nje permbledhje te shkelqyeshme te bazuar ne fakte, referenca e burime te sigurta mbi Shqiptaresine e pamohueshme e Epirit. Per te jehuar ky shkrim ashtu sic i ka hije, duhet te jete i perkthyer me patjeter ne Gjuhen Angleze.

Do te ishte Jashtezakonisht e Vlefshme qe ndonjeri qe ka aftesi dhe zoteron mire anglishten, por edhe vullnet ta perktheje kete tekst. Teksti nuk eshte i gjate me shume se 2 faqe e gjysme. Ndaj, ju lutem ai qe synon te me ndihmoje le te me kontaktoje permes mesazhit privat, qe t'ia dergoje tekstin per ta perkthyer.

-pis- doja vetem te te kujtoja.... :lol:..ma dergo me e-mail.
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I falenderohemi shume Artes, qe e ka perkthyer shpejt dhe mire tekstin. Sidoqofte, per hir te korrektesise une po i sjell dy tekstet ketu: edhe origjinalin ne shqip (te hartuar nga une) dhe ate te perkthyer ne anglisht (nga Arta). Mund te kontribuojme akoma per permiresimin dhe sjelljen ne nje forme sa me te mire dhe te persosur te ketij teksti.


EPIRI – THE CRADLE OF ALBANIAN PEOPLE

Per te kuptuar karakterin etnik te epirotasve te mocem, duhet qe te mos kufizohemi vetem ne ne kontekstin e lashtesise, mirepo te ndjekim me vemendje konceptin ‘Epir’ dhe dhe demonimin ‘epirotas’ edhe ne mesjete. Vetem nje bashkedyzim I dy periudhave historike: lashtesise dhe mesjetes na e bent e mundur te marrim nje pergjigje te sakte mbi kuptimin etnik qe fsheh ‘Epiri’. Ne pjesen e pare ‘Epiri – The Cradle of Albanian people’ kemi argumentuar ne menyre te permbledhur disa nga faktet kryesore te qemtuara ne kronikat e autoreve te vjeter por edhe atyre modern, se popullsia e Epirit nuk ka qene asnjehere greke; ajo ishte permbajtesisht ilire dhe bente pjese ne kompleksin pellazgjik. Synimi kryesor i ketij studimi ne vazhdim eshte t’ju beje te ditur vazhdimesine etnike Ilir-Shqiptare ne Epir prej mesjetes gjer ne ditet tona. Ne veprat e Humanisteve shqiptare (Barleti, Frengu, Bardhi, etj) permenden njekohesisht konceptet ‘Shqiperi’ Epir dhe Maqedoni per te shenuar te njejtin vend; vendin e shqiptareve qe sipas fjaleve te etnografit te shquar britanik H.Brailsford: It is comparatively easy to say what Albania proper is. It is the mountainous home of an unconquered race which faces the Adriatic from the Gulf of Arta in the south to Montenegro in the north. It includes the greater part of Epirus with the town of Jannina…”(1)
Perzierja dhe perdorimi I shpeshte I ketyre tre termeve per te shenuar po te njejtin vend jep mbeshtetje te mjaftueshme per te ngritur qendrimin se per homogjenitetin historik te ketyre tri kocenpteve etno-gjeografike. “Këto dyzime rridhnin jo vetëm për arsye historike të karakterit shtetëror dhe administrativ, apo fqinjësie por, duhet thënë, dhe për shkak farefisnie" (2), pohon historiani Gazmend Shpuza. Nuk eshte e nevojshme ketu te sillet tere dokumentacioni I epokes skenderbegiane per te vertetuar pohimin e siperthene, ama ajo cka eshte me e rendesishme eshte se shqiptaret ne mesjete jane identifikuar here si arber, here si epirotas e here si maqedonas. “The general ancient name of the Albanians was Epirotes. Epiras has produced its share of celebrities among them Pyrrhus the son of Achilles himself a neighbouring Thessalian Olympia the mother of Alexander the Great George Castriot better known as Scanderbeg…”(3) shkruan Sutherland Menzies. Pikerisht, shqiptaret e kane ruajtur ne vetedijen e tyre kolektive mbamendjen historike te koherave te lavdishme te Aleksandrit te Madh dhe Pirros se Epirit (heronj shqiptare) me mire se kushdo tjeter. ‘Ne kujtesen kolektive te shqiptareve, Aleksandri I Madh, i mbiquajtur Leka i Madh dhe Pirrua jane edhe sot e kesaj dite heronje popullore, qe jane shquar per trimerine e tyre’ (4). Biografi kryesor I Skenderbeut Marin Barleti,me prejardhje nga Shkodra,në titullin e veprës së tij që doli në vitin 1508-1510 e quajti Skenderbeun “Epirotarum princeps”(princ i epirotëve) ,ndërkohë që botimi i përkthyer gjermanisht nga Johannes Pinicianus është titulluar “Princ i Epirotëve dhe i Shqipërisë” (Herzog zu Epiro und Albanien),duke e lidhur në këtë mënyrë të kaluarën e lashtë me të sotmen.
Te ndalemi tani tek perberja etnike e Epirit ne periudhen mesjetare; si qendron ne Epir perberja etnografike ne kete kontekst historik? Bazuar ne gjykimet e nje autori bizantin te shek.XIV mesojme se Epiri dhe ne mesjet banohej nga po ajo race ilire: “Te gjithe ate vend (Epirin) ne kohet e vjetra e banonin fiset e … thesproteve, moloseve, kaoneve, qe shtriheshin deri ne mallet Keraunia…Edhe tani, ate vend e banojne ne fshatra te mbledhur e te shprendare, shqiptaret, race ilire”(5). Cdo dokumentacion per periudhen historike ne fjale evokon fuqimisht pranine e pakundershtueshme te shqiptareve autoktone ne kete rajon te gjere. Madje, edhe pershkrimet gjoegrafike te nje numri te madh gjeografesh e udhpershkruesisht te ndryshem jane te nje mendimi se Epiri inkuadrohet brenda teresise shqiptare, jo vetem ne kuptimin gjeografik te fjales, por edhe ne ate etnik, gjuhesor, kulturor, etj. Revista njujorkeze ‘The Eclectic Magazine of foreign Literature, science, and art’ shkruan: ‘As regards Epirus, there was anither reason, perhaps, that nearly the whole of its population is now Albanian”(6). Nderkaq, poeti dhe udhepershkruesi i famshem britanik Byron ne letren qe i drejton Henry Drury’it me daten 3 maj 1810 shkruan: “I first landed in Albania, the ancient Epirus”(7). Udhpershkruesit tjeter Viscountess Strangford ne ‘The Eastern shores of the Adriatic in 1863’ shkruan: ‘We started on June 1, intending to make Ioaninna, the capital of Southern Albania, our farthest point”(8). Historiani tjeter Edison L.Clark pohon: “Albanians, Arnauts as the turks calls them, or Shqiptars, live in the territory of ancient Epirus and in the territory of illyrians in East Macedonia.From Montenegro(North) till the Ambracian Golf (South). …Ancient Epirots are different from Ancient Greeks, like Albanians from todays Greeks.Epirots and Illyrians where neighbour tribes , but of the same blood, which spoke different dialects of the same language”(9). Pervec kesaj jane edhe nje numer i madh provash qe areali I gjuhes shqipe ka perfshire tere Epirin: “The language of the Albanians, the Arnauts, or as they call themselves, the Shkipetars, is divided into two principal dialects, the Northern or Geghian, spoken in the ancient Illyria, and the southern or Toskian, in Epirus”(10) shkruan Friedrich Max Müller. Epiri per shekuj me rradhe ka qene nje nga krahinat te ngjarjeve te bujshme historike, nga ku jane shfaqur gjithere familje sunduese shqiptare. Dihet historikisht që pas vitit 1375 në keto vise shtrihej principata e Gjin Bue Shpatës. Pas vitit 1385 sundimtari i saj ishte Gjin Zenebishi. Ne kete vazhde historike, eshte e vlefshme per t’u nenvizuar edhe koha e Pashallekut te sunduesit te fuqishem shqiptar Ali Pashe Tepelenes (1741-1822) i cili ‘in the late eighteenth century, expelled the Turks and created an independent Epirote state’(11). Nderkaq John Lee Comstock per kryeqytetin e Pashallekut te Ali Pashe Tepelenes: “…His capital, loannina, or as others call it, Yanina, was situated in Lower Albania, the ancient Epirus’ (12). William Guthrie Janinen e quan si njerin prej qyteteve me te medha shqiptare: ‘The two most considerable cities of Albania are Yanina and Scutari. Yanina is situated on the hank of a lake, almost in the centre of Lower Albania. It was much improved during the sway of All Pasha, at which period its population amounted to 60,000” (13). Perpos Janines si qytet shqiptar, edhe qytetet e tjera te Epirit ose Shqiperise Jugore ishin shqiptare: “The other principal towns of Southern Albania are : Mezzovo, Ktntitxa, Premithi and Klittnin, noted for their fortifications ; Ârsyro- Castro or Ergir- Kastri, D f Ionia, Delbino or Dflrtno, Philatet or Philoti, Parnmithia, Souii, so celebrated for the long struggle of its inhabitants, the Suliotes against Ali Pasha ; Arta, Sahgnra ; Prereïti, at the entrance of the Gulf of Arta…”(14). Gjate kohes se Perandorise Osmane I tere Epiri ose Shqiperia jugore u perfshine ne Vilajetin e Janines. ‘Albanians formed the majority population in the vilayets of Kosovo, Ioanina and Shkoder. There was also a huge concentration in the Monastir Vilayet’(15). Perpos kesaj ekzistojne edhe nje numer i madh dokuementesh mbi gjendjen demografike te Vilajetit te Janines. Te vlefshme per tu permendur jane edhe statistikat e regjistrimit te vitit 1905-1906 ne librin e historianit te mirenjohur rumun Nikolla Jorga ‘Histori e shkurter e Shqiperise’ 1919I cili nenvizon se ne Epir banonin 227484 shqiptare muslimane 213281 shqiptare ortodoks dhe 91991 greke e 4906 hebrenje (16). Nga keto statistika del se raporti I perberjes demografike ne Epir qendronte kesisoj: 440.765 shqiptare perballe 91.991 grekerve. Perpos kesaj ne vazhdim do te keni mundesine te shihni nje numer te madh hartash qe e paraqesin Epirin si Shqiperi. Perfundimi i gjithe ketyre provave e fakteve qe i shpalosem ne kete permbledhje modeste eshte se prania e shqiptareve ne Epir asnjehere nuk ka munguar. Shuma e pergjithshme e fakteve gjuhesore, etnologjike, antropologjike, gjoegrafike e hartografike japin si rezultat perfundimtar faktin qe Epiri ka qene, eshte dhe do te mbetet Djepi i Popullit Shqiptar.

(1) Henry N. Brailsford ‘Macedonia: Its races and Their Future’ 1906, pg. 88
(2)Gazmend Shpuza, ‘Nga arbëreshët, perms epirotëve, te shqiptarët’ http://www.aiitc.org/universi/nr3/studime2.html
(3) Sutherland Menzies ‘Turkey Old and New’, 1880, pg. 356
(4) Edith Durham ‘Some tribal origins, laws and customs of the Balkans’ London, 1928, pg.237
(5) History of Albanian People, Pristina 1999, pg.43
(6) The Eclectic Magazine of foreign Literature, science, and art. January to April, 1863, W.H.Bidwell, New York 1863, pg. 379
(7) Life, Letters, and Journals of Lord Byron by Baron George Noël Gordon Byron, 1844, pg.103
(8) Viscountess Strangford ‘The eastern shores of the Adriatic in 1863’ London 1864, pg. 2
(9) Edison L.Clark ‘"Racat e Turqisë Evropiane, historia e tyre, gjendja dhe prospektet", New York, Brodway, 1878, fq.751
(10) Friedrich Max Müller ‘‘The Languages of the Seat of War in the East’ 1855, page 58
(11) James Minahan “Encyclopedia of the Stateless Nations: S-Z” 2002, pg. 579
(12) John Lee Comstock ‘History of the Greek revolution” 1828 pg. 86
(13) William Guthrie ‘A new geographical, historical, and commercial grammar’ 1843 pg. 463
(14) System of Universal Geography, Founded on the Works of Malte-Brun and Balbi, 1842, page 611
(15) Misha Glenny “The Balkans: Nationalism, War & the Great Powers, 1804-1999, published 2002, page 27
(16) History of Albanian People, Pristina 1999, pg. 219).

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EPIRI – THE CRADLE OF ALBANIAN PEOPLE

To understand the ethnic character of ancient Epirotes, is needed to not get confused only in the ancient context, but also to follow with cautious the concept 'Epir' and the demo-nation of the 'Epirotas' in the middle ages.Only one co-exclusion of two historical periods: Ancient and Middle-ages it makes it possible to get an accurate answer on the ethnic meaning that hides 'Epiri'.In the first part 'Epiri-The Cradle of the Albanian People', we have argued in a summarized manner some of the important facts cited in the chronics of the old authors but also of those modern, that Epiri population has never been greek; that it was with an Illyrian content that was part of a Pelasg complex. The main purpose of this study in continuance is to make known the continuity of ethnicity Illyro-Shqiptar in Epir from middle-ages all the way to our days. On the Humanitarian Albanian books (Barleti, Frengu, Bardhi, etc) is mentioned at the same time the concept of 'Shqiperi' Epir and Macedonia to mark the same place; the place of Albanians that according to the writings of the renowned British ethnograph H. Brailsford: It is comparatively easy to say what Albania proper is. It is the mountainous home of an unconquered race which faces the Adriatic from the Gulf of Arta in the south to Montenegro in the north. It includes the greater part of Epirus with the town of Janina…”(1)
The frequent utilization and confound of these three terms to mark the same place it gives sufficient support for the establishment of continuance that the historical homogeneity of of these three ethno-geographic concepts. “These co-existence is a consequent not only for the historical reason of the character of the state and administrative, or vicinity, but it has to be said, and for the reason of the kinsfolk” (2), says historian Gazmend Shpuza.
It is not necessary to bring here the whole documentation of the Scanderbeg epoch to affirm the above mentioned, but what is more important is that Albanians in middle-ages have been identified off and on as Arber and Epirotes. Epiras has produced its share of celebrities among them Pyrrhus the son of Achilles himself a neighboringhessalian Olympia the mother of Alexander the Great George Castriot better known as Scanderbeg…”(3) writes Sutherland Menzies.
Precisely, Albanians have stored in their collective memories the historical consciousness of glorious times of Alexander the Great and Pirro of Epirus (albanian heroes) better than anyone else. 'In the collective memory of the Albanians, Alexander the Great, also called Leka I Madh (Great Leka) and Pirro are even today folk well-known heroes, that have been noted for their bravery' (4).The most important biographer of Scanderbeg Marin Barleti, with a originkodra, in the title of his book that came out in 1508-1510 called Scanderbeg “Epirotarum princeps” (Prince of Epirus and Albania” (Herzog zu Epiro und Albanien), connecting it in a way with the ancient past with that of today. Let's stop at the ethnic structure of Epirus on the middle-ages period; how does it consists in Epirus the ethnographic structure in the historical context?
Based on judgment of a Byzantine writer of 14th century, we learn that Epiri even in middle-ages was inhabited by Illyrian race: “All that place (Eprius) in the ancient time were inhabited by the kins of...Thesproteve, Moloseve, Chaoneve that spread all the way to the Keraunia mountainous. Even now, that place is inhabited with villages gathered and spread by Albanians, Illyrians race” (5).
Every documentation for the historical period in report evokes strongly the immovable presence autochthon of Albanians in this vast region. Even the geographic description of a big number of geographers and different travelers are in the same idea that Epirus is framed within Albanian integral, not only in the geographic concept, but of that ethnic, linguistic, cultural, etc. The New York Magazine, 'The Eclectic Magazine of foreign Literature, science and art' writes: “As regards Epirus, there was another reason, perhaps, that nearly the whole of its population is now Albanian”(6).Meanwhile, the famous British poet and traveler Lord Byron in the letter that he writes to Henry Drury on May 3, 1810 writes: “I first landed in Albania, the ancient Epirus”(7).
Another traveler, Viscountess Strangford in ‘The Eastern shores of the Adriatic in 1863’ writes: ‘We started on June 1, intending to make Ioaninna, the capital of Southern Albania, our farthest point”(8). Another historian Edison L. Clarkkk says: “Albanians, Arnauts as the turks calls them, or Shqiptars, live in the territory of ancient Epirus and in the territory of Illyrians in East Macedonia. From Montenegro(North) till the Ambracian Golf (South). …Ancient Epirots are different from Ancient Greeks, like Albanians from todays Greeks. Epirots and Illyrians where neighbor tribes , but of the same blood, which spoke different dialects of the same language”(9). Beside this are a big number of proves that the realm of the Albanian language has comprise all Epirus: “The language of the Albanians, the Arnauts, or as they call themselves, the Shkipetars, is divided into two principal dialects, the Northern or Geghian, spoken in the ancient Illyria, and the southern or Toskian, in Epirus”(10) writes Friedrich Max Müller. Epirus in centuries has been one of the regions with most sensational historical events where there has been always shown always to have been Albanian families living and also rule. Is known historically that after 1375 in these regions lied the principality of Gjin Bue Shpata. After year 1385 its ruler was Gjin Zenebishi. In this historical trail, is very important tu underline also the time of Pashalluk and the most vigorously Albanian ruler Ali Pashe Tepelena (1741-1822) who ‘in the late eighteenth century, expelled the Turks and created an independent Epirote state’(11). Meanwhile John Lee Comstock for the capital of Pashallek of Ali Pashe Tepelenes says: “…His capital, loannina, or as others call it, Yanina, was situated in Lower Albania, the ancient Epirus’ (12). William Guthrie calls Yanina as one of the biggest Albanian cities: ‘The two most considerable cities of Albania are Janina and Scutari. Janina is situated on the hank of a lake, almost in the center of Lower Albania. It was much improved during the sway of All Pasha, at which period its population amounted to 60,000” (13). Except Yanina as Albanian city, other cities of Epirus or South Albania were Albanians: “The other principal towns of Southern Albania are : Mezzovo, Ktntitxa, Premithi and Klittnin, noted for their fortifications ; Ârsyro- Castro or Ergir- Kastri, D f Ionia, Delbino or Dflrtno, Philatet or Philoti, Parnmithia, Souii, so celebrated for the long struggle of its inhabitants, the Suliotes against Ali Pasha ; Arta, Sahgnra ; Prereïti, at the entrance of the Gulf of Arta…”(14). Over the time of the Ottoman Empire, all pf Epirus or south Albania were a part of Yanina Vilayet. ‘Albanians formed the majority population in the vilayets of Kosovo, Ioanina and Shkoder. There was also a huge concentration in the Monastir Vilayet’(15). Except this exist even a big number documentation over the demography of the Vilajet of Yanina. Very important to mentioned are the registering statistics of the year 1905-1906 in the book of the most known historian Nikolla Jorga, “Short history of Albania” 1919 where he underlines that in Epirus were residing 227484 Albanian muslims, 213281 Albanian orthodox, 91991 greeks, and 4906 jews (16).From these statistics comes out that the rapport of demography structure in Epirus consists this: 440.765 Albanians before 91.991 greeks. Except this in continuance you will have the chance to see a big number of maps that show Epirus as part of Albania. In conclusion of all these evidences and facts that unfolded in this modest summary is the presence of the Albanians in Epirus that has never been absent. The general number of linguistic facts, ethnological, anthropological, geographical and graphic maps give a conclusive result the fact that Epirus has been and will be 'The Cradle of Albanian People'.


(1) Henry N. Brailsford ‘Macedonia: Its races and Their Future’ 1906, pg. 88
(2)Gazmend Shpuza, ‘Nga Arbëreshët, perms epirotëve, te shqiptarët’ (From the Arberesh, through Epitoas to Albanians) http://www.aiitc.org/universi/nr3/studime2.html
(3) Sutherland Menzies ‘Turkey Old and New’, 1880, pg. 356
(4) Edith Durham ‘Some tribal origins, laws and customs of the Balkans’ London, 1928, pg.237
(5) History of Albanian People, Pristina 1999, pg.43
(6) The Eclectic Magazine of foreign Literature, science, and art. January to April, 1863, W.H.Bidwell, New York 1863, pg. 379
(7) Life, Letters, and Journals of Lord Byron by Baron George Noël Gordon Byron, 1844, pg.103
(8) Viscountess Strangford ‘The eastern shores of the Adriatic in 1863’ London 1864, pg. 2
(9) Edison L.Clark "Races of the European Turkey, their history, situation and prospectus", New York, Brodway, 1878, fq.751
(10) Friedrich Max Müller ‘‘The Languages of the Seat of War in the East’ 1855, page 58
(11) James Minahan “Encyclopedia of the Stateless Nations: S-Z” 2002, pg. 579
(12) John Lee Comstock ‘History of the Greek revolution” 1828 pg. 86
(13) William Guthrie ‘A new geographical, historical, and commercial grammar’ 1843 pg. 463
(14) System of Universal Geography, Founded on the Works of Malte-Brun and Balbi, 1842, page 611
(15) Misha Glenny “The Balkans: Nationalism, War & the Great Powers, 1804-1999, published 2002, page 27
(16) History of Albanian People, Pristina 1999, pg. 219).
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