"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

EPIRI - PERKATESIA E TIJ SHQIPTARE

Këtu mund të flisni mbi historinë tonë duke sjellë fakte historike për ndriçimin e asaj pjese të historisë mbi të cilen ka rënë harresa e kohës dhe e njerëzve.

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Homer (Iliad II. 748-750)

Guneus brought two and twenty ships from Cyphus, and he was followed by the Enienes and the valiant Peraebi,
who dwelt about wintry Dodona, and held the lands round the lovely river Titaresios, which sends its waters into the Peneus.
They do not mingle with the silver eddies of the Peneus, but flow on the top of them like oil;

Appian (Illyrian Wars) Ill. 1

Illyrius had six sons, Encheleus, Autarieus, Dardanus, Mædus, Taulas, and Perrhæbus, also daughters, Partho, Daortho, Dassaro,
and others, from whom sprang the Taulantii, the Perrhæbi, the Enchelees, the Autarienses, the Dardani, the Partheni, the Dassaretii,
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Falemnderit Trojan!

Ceshtja e perrhebejve pellazgjik qellimisht eshte lene ne harrese sepse qarqe te caktuara qe kane mundesine e manipulimit me historine jane te interesuara te zhbejne cdo lloj lidhjeje midis ilireve dhe epiroteve ne njeren ane, dhe ne anen tjeter midis iliro-epiroteve dhe pellazgeve. Perrhebejte pellazgjik (Homeri) dhe ata ilir (Apiani) deshmojne per njejtesine pellazgo-ilire. Ndonese jo i plote, une do te hedh nje fragment jo pak te rendesishem te nje dijetari italian (Ugolini) i cili Perrhebejte i sheh si reflektim te Prasaebejve thesprote. Shih:

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Shqiptaret e Epirit.
Popullsia shqiptare ne Çameri.

Jepen qytete e fshatra te shqiptareve te krishtere dhe mysliman qe popullonin tere Epirin e Jugut.
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Mallakastrioti wrote:Fakti interesant, Zeus10, eshte se Homeri (apo ai qe ka shkruar ne emer te Homerit) na jep te dhena lidhur ketij emertimi para se rendome te quhej "Epir" dhe shkruan tekstualisht "banonin ne Kerkyre dhe Rrepire te ashper", ne se do e perkthenim shqip, pra autori ka perkthyer nje fjale ne nje gjuhe barbare dhe jo vetem kaq, por e perdor si emertim vendi dhe "rrepire e ashper"Aigilipa trixeian=Aigilipa asprum=rrepire e ashper", pra prej dikujt ky vend eshte quajtur i tille dhe Homeri e ka "perkthyer" ne nje gjuhe te keshtuquajtur "greke e lashte". Interesant eshte se permend edhe Kerkyren, pra kjo e te nenkuptojme se keta banor te Kerkyres quanin brigjet perballe tyre "RREPIRE". rrepira eshte edhe nje vend ku nuk hyet lehte, pra nje vend qe nuk hyet.
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Nuk e di Mallakastrioti, por ky emri Σχερία, me sjell ne mend emrin Shqiperi, megjithese 'thuhet', qe ai eshte thjeshte emri i vjeter i Korfuzit.
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Zeus10 wrote:Nuk e di Mallakastrioti, por ky emri Σχερία, me sjell ne mend emrin Shqiperi, megjithese 'thuhet', qe ai eshte thjeshte emri i vjeter i Korfuzit.
Toponim qe e kemi edhe ne Gjirokaster.

"Rajoni Jugor ka popullim shume te hershem. Ne kete rajon jane gjetur gjurmet me te vjetra te banimit te trevave shqiptare. Qysh 300- 400 vjet para Krishtit aty u ngriten qytetet antike, si Buthroti (Butrinti), Antigonea, Orikumi, Foinikea, Amantia (Plloca), Onhezmi (Saranda) etj. Me pas u ngriten keshtjella dhe qytetete tjera. Ne shekullin e fundit ky rajon, si dhe ai juglindor, eshte dalluar per shtim te pakte te popullsise, sidomos ne periudhen midis dy lufterave boterore, per shkak te emigracionit te theksuar te banoreve te tij ne boten e jashtme. Kjo dukuri ka qene me e theksuar ne disa zona te tij, si: Gjirokastra, Lunxheria, Dropulli, Rreza e Permetit, Zagoria, Shqeria dhe Bregu i Detit."

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Shqeri (area)
Also called: Shqeria

Region: Gjirokastër, Albania


Shqeri is a area in the region of Gjirokastër, the country of Albania with an average elevation of 808 meter above sea level. The location is sparsely populated with 24 people per km2 . The nearest town larger than 50,000 inhabitants takes about 5:47 hour by local transportation.

An estimated 1.43% of the children below 5 years old are underweight, with a mortality of 5 per 1,000 births.
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Shtrirja e kufijve shqiptar (fundi i shek. 17, duke marre per baze vitin botimit te dokumentit)

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"Hercules Siculus Sive Studium Geographicum: Cujus Argumentum ...: Volume 1

Giovanni Battista Nicolosi - 1670

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George Akropolites [Γεῶργιος Ἀκροπολίτης](1217 – 1282).
Qe ne shekullin e 13-e, ne librin e tij: "Historia", (fragmente nga libri)

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ne paragrafin e 80 -e ai shkruan

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1. Epirotet nuk jane romans(romaioi)
2. Ata jetojne ne PERENDIM dhe JO ne LINDJE


Keto dy deshmi te rendesishme, vertetojne ne menyre te pakundershtueshme falsitetin e tezave greke, qe :

1. epirotet na qenkeshin greke:

προς τους 'Ρωμαίους, δπως ώνόμαζον τότε έαυτούς οί "
Ελληνες.

The identity of the Byzantine Greeks has taken many forms in name, with such variants as Romaioi or Romioi (meaning "Romans"), Graikoi (meaning "Greeks"), "Byzantines", and "Byzantine Greeks".
Greek-speakers at the time, however, referred to themselves as Romaioi ("Romans").

qekurse ai tekstualisht thote qe:

Epirotet nuk ishin Ρωμαίοι(qe ishte termi qe pershkruante greket)

2. Albanoi na qenkeshin albanet e Kaukazit(Lindjes)
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Lower Albania, otherwise called Epirus and Canina, is bounded on the north by Upper Albania;

The Town and country magazine, or universal repository of ...: Volume 1 - Page 287, 1769
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E permuajshmja kulturore "FRYMA"-viti 1944

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The Greeks in Epirus and Thessaly, though not so prosperous as those of Roumclia, are politically on the same footing. In Epirus most of them are to be found in a cluster of about fifty villages lying under a spur of Mount Pindus, in a district called Zagori. Each of these villages elects a magistrate, and the magistrates in their turn elect a president, through whom they communicate with the pasha at Janina, the capital. In this town the Greeks, who form the wealthiest and most intelligent part of the population, have the same sort of self-government as in the villages. The chief authority is in the hands of the Turks, who lodge fn the citadel together with the Jews—the latter being, all over Turkey, warm partisans of the Ottoman dominion; but the strongest and most numerons race in the province is the Albanian, which is often very incorrectly confounded with the Greek. The Albanians furnish the Turkish army with its best soldiers, and have repeatedly been employed in Crete and other Greek districts to put down insurrections. Unlike the Greeks, they have very little religious feeling, and there are at least as many Mussulmans among them as Christians. An Albanian often becomes a Mussulman in order to get some lucrative post under Government, his wife at the same time remaining a Christian; and it not unfrequently happens that during Lent a sort of cake is made, one half of which is flour and water for the Christian wife, and the other half a savory mess of mutton, butter, and vegetables, for the Mussulman husband. The Albanian language, too, which is said to be derived from the ancient Illyrian, is utterly unintelligible to a Greek. There is little doubt that if the Albanians had joined the Greeks during the revolution, both Epirus and Thessaly would have been lost to the Sultan. But AH Pasha's rebellion was essentially an Albanian one, and was entirely distinct from the Hellenic movement in the Morea. According to M. Poujade, an Albanian chief actually entered Acarnania with the object of joining the insurgents; but hearing the people exclaim, " Long live onr race!" he turned back again, well knowing that the race to which ho belonged had nothing in common with the Greek.

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…as a matter of fact, these Greeks have held aloof from all Greek insurrections; and that in Epirus, which is claimed by Mr. Skinner as one of the Greek provinces, the majority of the population is not even of the Greek nationality. In Crete it is different…

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E gjej te nevojshme te bej nja dy-tri verejtje mbi pasazhin e mesiperm (pjese te cilit jane sjell edhe me pare ne forum):

1. "Greket" ne Epir, sipas autorit, jetojne ne nje rrip fshatrash rreth Pindit, gjegjesisht ne treven e Zagorise. Ne burime te tjera, zagoritet pershkruhen si shqiptaret, ndersa diku-tjeter edhe si vllehe. Gjithsesi, kjo le te nenkuptuar faktin qe pjesa derrmuese e Epirit banohej nga shqiptaret.

2. Shqiptaret e Epirit kishin nje lloj neverie ndaj bizantineve, me te cilit, pos fqinjesise, kishin pak gjera te perbashketa. Mirepo, me pjesen tjeter vendese ne Greqi, qofshin keta shqiptare te krishtere apo shqiptare te helenizuar vone, lidhjet ruheshin dhe bashkepunimi nuk mungonte.
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Stephanus De Urbibus (Qytetet dhe Popujt, S.Bizanti)

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Ne librin e tij Bizanti na sjell emrin e nje qyteti ilir quajtur Αἰγίνιον.

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Aeginium

(Αἰγίνιον; Aigínion). Town in Tymphania, originally taken as belonging to Epirus (Str. 7,7,9), but from 191 BC belonging to Macedonia, from 167 BC to the Thessalonian Hestiaiotis. Strategically important location in the upper valley of the Peneius (impregnable according to Liv. 32,15,4), destroyed by the Romans in the Third Macedonian War in 167 BC (Liv. 45,27). Its localization close to the modern Kalambaka [3. 121-123; 1. 898] (medieval Stagoi [4. 262 f.]) seems to be certain,…

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Po ku ndodhet Kalambaka?

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Nese mos gabohem une kam qendruar ne Kalabaka dy net ne nje hotel, ne Meteora, nuk e di nese behet fjale per te njejten Kalabak. Me kujtohet nje thenje e nje plaku qe me thosh : cdo ''kishe'' qe shikon ketu eshte ndertuar siper nje thesari , jane ndertuar kisha duke e ditur qe kishat kurre nuk do shemben , dhe ne kete menyre ata kan vendosur qe cdo gje ta mbulonin me ''kisha'' , cdo kishe ka lidhje me ndertesat e vjetra qe jane ne themele ( kete kur nuk e kam harruar ) dhe eshte mese e vertet se ka disa kisha qe as dhia nuk mund te ngjitet ne te dale te Kalabakes. Dhe me ironike eshte sepse ata prifterinjte qe jetojne aty i kane qujatur ''budallenje'' dhe prandaj nuk u kushtojne shume rendesi atyre kishave ;) . Kur zbriste ndonje nga ata prifterinjte, dikush ulesh ne gjunje para tij, dikush thoshte " ah to vlaka'' kjo me kujtohet si tani qe po e shkruaj, gjithmon me ka mbetur ne mendje enigma e atyre kishave...


( kjo zone kishte turiste nga e gjithe bota, dhe jo turiste ''thjeshte turiste'', por dukeshin qe ishin te shkolluar dhe mosha te medha)
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Kam 5 video nga aji zona, videot i kam bere vetem nga fakti se me beri shume pershtypje aji terren aq i lene mbas dore, por dhe me shume rendesi per ta. Nga njera ane e kishes nuk mund te kalonje sepse ishte per kuajt ( nje terren shume i madh ) dhe ne te vertet ndodheshin shume kuaj te leshuar rreth e qarke ne ate terren, nga ana tjeter nuk mund te ngjitesh sepse ishte ne dispozicon te nje LESKI ( leski quhesh nje grup ushtaresh qe merren me stervitje, jo me pagese por me deshire, ata benin takime dhe stervitje aty cdo te marte dhe te ejnte, ndersa te dielen njiteshin me litare larte e poshte neper meteora, se dhe nga kodrat e ketyre kishave ). Ndersa dy anet e tjera per ty ngjitur ne kishe thash qe ishte shume e veshtire te ngjiteshe, se as dhia nuk kalonte dote. Kur dikush kerkonte te pagezonte femijen ne ato kisha duhet te merrnin leje muaj me pare ne bashki ne TRIKALA.
Po nese ishin pa vlere ato kisha pse duhesh marr leje ne bashki kaq muaj me pare?!
Pse njera ane eshte e ndaluar te kalosh ''per arsyje te kuajve''?!
Pse ana tjeter keta djemte qe quheshin ''leski''?!

Kur e pyeta plakun e hotelit qe, keto djemte qe marrin pjese ne kete ''leski'' hyjne me deshire, mund te hyj kushdo ne kete stervitje ''leski''?! Me tha: jo nuk mund te hyje kushdo ate grade e merr ne ushtri, kur ben ushtrine, dhe e ke emrin e shenuar per cdo nevoje qe mund te ket shteti mund te thiresh, pra je ushtar i shtetit.

Eshte vertet nje zone qe te le me shume pikpyetje?! Jo me kote dhe grek-amerikani po kerkonte pasurine e Ali Pashe tepelenes afersishte aty ne ate zone vetem pak klm me larg nga kjo qe po ju sqaroj une rreth30 klm nga ana tjeter e kalabakes.
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