
"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
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Harte e bukur kjo...T'falemnderit Socio!
Kjo n'fakt e rrit numrin e hartave (qe e perfshijne tere Epirin brenda Shqiperise) perendimore. Per aq sa kam kerkuar deri me tani tere hartat e shekullit XIX flasin pozitivisht per shqiptaret dhe shtrirjen e tyre (megjithese nganjehere bejne gafa). Hartat etnografike u falsifikuan sidomos pas lufterave ballkanike...
Kjo n'fakt e rrit numrin e hartave (qe e perfshijne tere Epirin brenda Shqiperise) perendimore. Per aq sa kam kerkuar deri me tani tere hartat e shekullit XIX flasin pozitivisht per shqiptaret dhe shtrirjen e tyre (megjithese nganjehere bejne gafa). Hartat etnografike u falsifikuan sidomos pas lufterave ballkanike...
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Hey Zeus10 im going to make a Youtube video with the maps you posted i think they are great. I wanted to ask you if the modern Greeks have anything in common with the Ancient Greeks because on the maps you posted they where never there. And also where do you think the modern Greeks came from if they where not in the Balkans untill 1800's. 

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I strongly beleive that the Modern Greeks are a newly created nation, an ethnic "alchemy" realized from Western Christian Powers, to stop the penetration of Turkish in Europe. I have written an article, in this thread:ALBO1 wrote:Hey Zeus10 im going to make a Youtube video with the maps you posted i think they are great. I wanted to ask you if the modern Greeks have anything in common with the Ancient Greeks because on the maps you posted they where never there. And also where do you think the modern Greeks came from if they where not in the Balkans untill 1800's.
http://www.arberiaonline.com/viewtopic. ... 546#p25546
where I give more details, about the history of the Greek ""nation"". The article needs revisions and is not finished yet, but you might find a lot of informations, among the threads in this forum.
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Der Aufstand der Griechen im Epirus

Myslimanët ne Epiri , numri i banoreve shkon deri në 4 5000, dhe, si shumica e muslimanëve në vendet origjinale greke, mesojne vetëm ne gjuhën greke , janë me prejardhje shqiptare, shumë pak prej tyre flasin turqisht. Ata flasin shqip dhe greqisht dhe shkruajnë vetëm në greqisht. Pra, edhe të gjithe jane shqiptare jo vetëm te Epirit, por edhe nga lart . Stafi i zyrës së Ali Pasha të Tepelenës përbëhej vetëm nga ky komb ne çdo gjë, përveç korrespondencës ne Porte u vendos në greqisht. Pas kërkimeve të detajuara të burimeve te besueshëm, popullsia e kësaj krahine shkon 500-550.000 shpirtra.
rrethin e qarkut te Janines :

Sipas anketave statistikore, ishin të shqetësuar kryesisht autoritetet turke, qe popullata krishtere arriti në 800,000 shpirtra , nje shume e rende per ta fshehur

Kjo tabelë tregon mjaft ndarjen e popullsisë në të krishterët dhe myslimanët.
Si për të krishterët, ata i përkasin numrin më të madh pas garës greke, dhe gjithashtu flasin edhe greqisht. Marrja e njerëzve nga vendet Mezovo, Calarites dhe Syraco, dhe në tjera fshatra. Rrethet e Libohovo, Gardiki, Lanjuaria, Zigora, Reza dhe Tepelenë janë të banuara vetëm me shqiptarë .
Gjdo Shqiptar i krishtere eshte quajtur "Grek" si duket .
Myslimanët ne Epiri , numri i banoreve shkon deri në 4 5000, dhe, si shumica e muslimanëve në vendet origjinale greke, mesojne vetëm ne gjuhën greke , janë me prejardhje shqiptare, shumë pak prej tyre flasin turqisht. Ata flasin shqip dhe greqisht dhe shkruajnë vetëm në greqisht. Pra, edhe të gjithe jane shqiptare jo vetëm te Epirit, por edhe nga lart . Stafi i zyrës së Ali Pasha të Tepelenës përbëhej vetëm nga ky komb ne çdo gjë, përveç korrespondencës ne Porte u vendos në greqisht. Pas kërkimeve të detajuara të burimeve te besueshëm, popullsia e kësaj krahine shkon 500-550.000 shpirtra.
rrethin e qarkut te Janines :
Sipas anketave statistikore, ishin të shqetësuar kryesisht autoritetet turke, qe popullata krishtere arriti në 800,000 shpirtra , nje shume e rende per ta fshehur
Kjo tabelë tregon mjaft ndarjen e popullsisë në të krishterët dhe myslimanët.
Si për të krishterët, ata i përkasin numrin më të madh pas garës greke, dhe gjithashtu flasin edhe greqisht. Marrja e njerëzve nga vendet Mezovo, Calarites dhe Syraco, dhe në tjera fshatra. Rrethet e Libohovo, Gardiki, Lanjuaria, Zigora, Reza dhe Tepelenë janë të banuara vetëm me shqiptarë .
Gjdo Shqiptar i krishtere eshte quajtur "Grek" si duket .
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Bürgerliche Geschichte des Königreichs Neapel: Von der Verfassung ..., Volume 3
By Pietro Giannone, Otto Christian von Lohenschiold, Johann Friedrich Le Bret 1758
Grekët e mbanin mend prejardhjen e tyre shqiptare të cilët janë të shpërndare në Kalabri dhe Sicili dhe te cilet ishin te shypyr ne Venedik , ndoshta eshte e mundur qe ne kohen e Romakeve jane shikuar si armiq mes Grekeve (mendohet shqiptaret) dhe Romakeve ?
Ne Bisignano Erina Castriota eshte caktuar Princeze e shqiptarëve dhe aty u ndertuan dy kisha njera nga S. Sofia,dhe një tjetër nga S. Achcmasius per 150 vitet aty ishin 7 prifterinje Grek deri me tani ( mendohet ne kohen e authorit).


http://books.google.com/books?id=zuQ_AA ... &q&f=false
By Pietro Giannone, Otto Christian von Lohenschiold, Johann Friedrich Le Bret 1758
Grekët e mbanin mend prejardhjen e tyre shqiptare të cilët janë të shpërndare në Kalabri dhe Sicili dhe te cilet ishin te shypyr ne Venedik , ndoshta eshte e mundur qe ne kohen e Romakeve jane shikuar si armiq mes Grekeve (mendohet shqiptaret) dhe Romakeve ?
Ne Bisignano Erina Castriota eshte caktuar Princeze e shqiptarëve dhe aty u ndertuan dy kisha njera nga S. Sofia,dhe një tjetër nga S. Achcmasius per 150 vitet aty ishin 7 prifterinje Grek deri me tani ( mendohet ne kohen e authorit).
“Nëse doni të zbuloni historinë para Krishtit dhe
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Allgemeine Weltkunde, oder Encyklopädie für Geographie, Statistik und ...
By Johann Georg August Galletti, Johann Günther Friedrich Cannabich, Hermann Meynert , 1840
Poshte per tjeret nacionalietet
3) Wlachen, Bulgaren und Einwanderer aus Thessalien, Makedonien, Epirus.
4) Juden, nicht sehr zahlreich, und, so wie allenthalben in Europa, dem Handel lebend.
5) Deutsche, vorzüglich Baiern, neu angesiedelt, auch andere Europäer, aber doch in keiner sehr bedeutenden Zahl.


http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA413& ... &q&f=false
By Johann Georg August Galletti, Johann Günther Friedrich Cannabich, Hermann Meynert , 1840
Popullsia ne Mbreterin Greke : gjithsejt mbi 400.000 , ne Hidra , Kakaovuonit , Alaiot etj , te gjithe Shqiptare .2) Albanesen {gegen 400,000), vorzüglich in Negroponte, auf der Insel Hydra, auf dem Festlande, wo die Kakovunioten,ALaIiotcn etc. offenbar Albanesen sind.
Poshte per tjeret nacionalietet
3) Wlachen, Bulgaren und Einwanderer aus Thessalien, Makedonien, Epirus.
4) Juden, nicht sehr zahlreich, und, so wie allenthalben in Europa, dem Handel lebend.
5) Deutsche, vorzüglich Baiern, neu angesiedelt, auch andere Europäer, aber doch in keiner sehr bedeutenden Zahl.
E gjithe popullsia ne ate kohe (sipas authorit) ishte 900.000 , prej tyre vetem ne Morea ishin 400.000 .3. Zahl. Die Gesamtzahl der "Bewohner Griechenlands dürfte man zu 900,000 annehmen können. Davon kommen
auf Morea 400,000
http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA413& ... &q&f=false
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Aq e natyrshme ishte qënja e shqiptareve si banore autoktone ne Atike, saqe autori John Cam Hobhouse Hobhouse, ne librin e tij:
A journey through Albania and other provinces of Turkey in Europe. Volume 2 faqe 468
duke studjuar gjuhen shqipe ne Greqi, nuk i duhet te qemtoje mes fshatareve atikas, per te vecuar shqiptaret nga te tjeret, te cilet jane natyrisht mosegzistente, ai i permbledh ata me nje term:' fshataret atikas'
A journey through Albania and other provinces of Turkey in Europe. Volume 2 faqe 468
duke studjuar gjuhen shqipe ne Greqi, nuk i duhet te qemtoje mes fshatareve atikas, per te vecuar shqiptaret nga te tjeret, te cilet jane natyrisht mosegzistente, ai i permbledh ata me nje term:' fshataret atikas'
I had collected with considerable pains, a vocabulary of the Albanian spoken by the peasants of Attica, and should have given it a place in this Appendix, if the Grammar of Da Lecce had not fallen in my way. From comparing the two specimens, I find the language of the Attic and Epirote Arnoot to be the same, although with a certain discrepancy, which may be well attributed to the variety of its dialects, and to the different impressions which it has received in the many regions inhabited by this dispersed people.
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The Ottoman Empire and Its Tributary States (Expecting Egypt) By W. S. Cooke


The Ottoman Empire and Its Tributary States (Expecting Egypt) By W. S. Cooke
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Greece.--Once Greece led the world in intellectual pursuits, in art, in poetry, in philosophy. A large and vital part of European culture is rooted directly in the language and thought of Athens. The most beautiful edifice in the world was the Peace Palace of the Parthenon, erected by Pericles, to celebrate the end of Greece's suicidal wars. This endured 2,187 years, to be wrecked at last (1687) in Turkish hands by the Christian bombs of the Venetian Republic.
But the glory of Greece had passed away long before the fall of the Parthenon. Its cause was the one cause of all such downfalls--the extinction of strong men by war. At the best,
the civilization of Greece was built on slavery, one freeman to ten slaves. And when the freemen were destroyed, the slaves, an original Mediterranean stock, overspread the territory of Hellas along with the Bulgarians, Albanians and Vlachs, barbarians crowding down from the north.
The Grecian language still lives, the tongue of a spirited and rising modern people. But the Greeks of the classic period--the Hellenes of literature, art and philosophy--will never be known again. Says Mr. W. H. Ireland:
'Most of the old Greek race has been swept away, and the country is now inhabited by persons of Slavonic descent. Indeed, there is a strong ground for the statement that there was more of the old heroic blood of Hellas in the Turkish army of Edhem Pasha than in the soldiers of King George.'
The modern Greek has been called a "Byzantinized Slav." King George himself and Constantine his son are only aliens placed on the Grecian throne to suit the convenience of outer powers, being in fact descendants of tribes which to the ancient Greeks were merely barbarians.
It is maintained that the modern Greeks are in the main the descendants of the population that inhabited Greece in the earlier centuries of Byzantine rule. Owing to the operation of
various causes, historical, social and economic, that population was composed of many heterogeneous elements and represented in very limited degree the race which repulsed the
Persians and built the Parthenon. The internecine conflicts of the Greek communities, wars with foreign powers, and the deadly struggles of factions in the various cities had to a large
extent obliterated the old race of free citizens by the beginning of Roman period. The extermination of the Plataeans by the Spartans and of the Melians by the Athenians during the Peloponnesian war, the proscription of the Athenian citizens after the war, the massacre of the Coreyrean oligarchs by the democratic party, the slaughter of the Thebans by Alexander and of the Corinthians by Mummius are among the more familiar
instances of the catastrophes which overtook the civic element in the Greek cities. The void can only have been filled from the ranks of the metics or resident aliens and of the
descendants of the far more numerous slave population. In the classic period four fifths of the population of Attica were slaves; of the remainder, half were meties In A.D. 100 only
three thousand free arm-bearing men were in Greece. (James D.
Bourchier.)
The constant little struggles of the Greeks among themselves made no great showing as to numbers compared to other wars, but they wiped out the most valuable people, the best blood, the most promising heredity on earth. This cost the world more than
the killing of millions of barbarians. In two centuries there were born under the shadow of the Parthenon more men of genius than the Roman Empire had in its whole existence. Yet this empire included all the civilized world, even Greece herself.
(La Pouge.)
The downfall of Greece,[6] like that of Rome, has been ascribed by Schultz to the crossing of the Greeks with the barbaric races which flocked into Hellas from every side. These resident aliens, or metics, steadily increased in number as the free Greeks disappeared. Selected slaves or helots were then made free in order to furnish fighting men, and again as these fell their places were taken by immigrants.
[6] Certain recent writers who find in environment the causes of the rise and fall of nations, ascribe the failure of Greece to the introduction in Athens and Sparta of the malaria-bearing mosquito. As to the facts in question, we have little evidence. But while the prevalence of malaria may have affected the general activity of the people, it could in no way have obliterated the mental leadership which made the strength of
classic Hellas, nor could it have injected its poison into the stream of Greek heredity.
It is doubtless true at this day that "no race inhabits Greece," and the main difference between Greeks and other Balkan peoples is that, inhabiting the mountains and valleys of Hellas, they speak in dialects of the ancient tongue. Environment, except through selection and segregation, can not alter race inheritance and the modern "Greeks" have not been changed by it. Schultz observes:
'We are told that the Hellenes owed their greatness largely to the country it was their fortune to dwell in. To that same country, with the same wonderful coast line and harbors, mountains and brooks, and the same sun of Homer, the modern Greeks owe their nothingness.'
In other words, it is quite true that the Greece of Pericles owed its strength to Greek blood, not to Hellenic scenery. When all the good Greek blood was spent in suicidal wars, only slaves and foreign-born were left. " 'This Greece, but living Greece no more."[7]
[7] In contrasting a new race with the old--as the modern Greeks with the incomparable Hellenes--we must not be unjust to the men of to-day whose limitations are evident, contrasted with a race we know mainly by its finest examples. In spite of poverty, touchiness and vanity characteristic of the modern Greek, there is good stuff in him. He is frank, hopeful, enthusiastic. The mountain Greek, at least, knows the value of freedom, and has more than once put up a brave fight for it. The valleys breed subserviency, and the Greeks of Thessaly are said to be less independent than the mountain-born.
Furthermore, we do not know that even the first Hellenes of Mycenae were an unmixed race, or that any unmixed races ever rose to such prominence as to command the world's attention. We do know that when war depletes a nation slaves and foreigners come in to fill the vacuum, and that the decline of a great race in history has always been accompanied by a debasing of
its blood.
Yet out of this decadence natural selection may in time bring forward better strains, and with normal conditions of security and peace nature may begin again her work of recuperation.
In the fall of Greece we have another count against war, scarcely realized until the facts of Louvain and Malines, of Rheims and Ypres, have brought it again so vividly before us.
War respects nothing, while the human soul increasingly demands veneration for its own noble and beautiful achievements. As I write this, there rise before me the paintings in the "Neue Pinakothek" at Munich, representing the twenty-one Cities of Ancient Greece, from Sparta to Salamis, from Eleusis to Corinth, not as they were, "in the glory which was Greece," not as they are now, largely fishing hamlets by the blue Aegean Sea, but as ruined arches and broken columns half hid in the ashes of war, wars which blotted out Greece from world history.
The Popular Science Monthly Volume Lxxxvi July To September, 1915
J. McKeen Cattell, Editor
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Edhe kjo pjese duhet marre me kursim, perderisa autori ben nje gabim qesharak kur i quan shqiptaret pjese te sllaveve. Sidoqofte, ka gjera ne tekst qe duken te jene mjaft bindese. Shih nenvizimet me ngjyre:
In Ante C. 337, the assembled states of Greece at Corinth, named Philip II. king of Macedonia as generalissimo, and voted a force of 235,000 men. This army when united to the troops of Macedonia, would have formed a mass of about 300,000 men. Greece and Macedonia, were now at the very achme of their conjoint power, and yet three years afterwards, with all this pomp of numbers, Alexander was unable to quit Europe with 50,000 men, when he undertook the invasion of Persia. In fact the Grecian army at the battle of Platxa was the most numerous ever assembled by that nation, on any occasion whatever. When invaded by the Romans, their armies were generally small, and when the former were commanded by skilful generals, the latter ceded and fell a prey to the invaders. Fifteen centuries after the Roman conquest, the Turks obtained similar success with even less effective resistance. Since the late sanguinary contest with their Mahometan masters the number and component material of the pop. of Greece, have become problems of intense interest. Hobhouse gives to modern Attica, 25,200 inhabitants; but this estimate is made upon Attica restricted to within mount Cithaeron, on about 350 sqms. The Greek revloted provinces are, the Morea, Attica, Bccotia, (Livadia,) and a few of the Islands. The whole of this extent, may amount to the one third of all Greece and Macedonia, or to about 14,600 sqms. If Attica contains 25,200 inhabitants on 350 sqms., the aggregate is 72 to the sqm., and allowing such distributive pop. to all Greece, the amount would be 3,178,000, a number far above what any evidence we possess would warrant. To many it will appear revolting to be told that there has not yet been at any moment since their revolt, a pop. of one million opposed to the Turks j and yet, if such an estimate is erroneous, I am afraid that the error is in excess.
The moral material is again a far more important subject of inquiry, than mere numbers. Commencing in the N. with Albania, always less civilized than the more southern Greeks, is now inhabited by a race, not much above the savage state. " The countries composing Albania," says Hobhouse, "seem, in parts, to have been peopled by an almost uninterrupted succession of barbarians. Illyricum and Epirus are not often mentioned by historians, without a notice of the peculiar ferocity of their inhabitants. It was not until the reign of Tharytas, king of the Molossians and Thesprotians, from whom Pyrrhus was fourth in descent, that the Greek language and manners were introduced into the country; which, as it was divided into several petty principalities and republics, could, alter all, never have been more than partially civilized. As to the Illyrians, Polybius calls them the enemies of all nations, and no more civilized than the Thracians, or the Getac ; and Livy accounts for the superior ferocity of one of the four Homan divisions of Macedonia, by the inclemency of their climate, the infertility of their soil, and the vicinity of the barbarians." This picture of the country and its inhabitants, is as faithful a representation of both
at the present epoch, as for ages prior and subsequent to the Uoman conquest of Greece. When that conquest was consummated, and Macedonia lay in the direct route from the capital of the empire, to the more distant provinces of the cast, a military road was opened, ami called the Ignatian Way. This road led from Apollonia, Dyrrachium, and Aulor, over the mountains, through Lychnidas, Pylon, and Gdetsa, 250 ms.to Thessalonica. Whilst this thoroughfare existed, some degree of mental improvement must have been superinduced; but the decline of Roman power, and subsequent revolution, closed to the still barbarous pop. of Epirus, every avenue of intelligence, and as early as the reign of Julian (1. the decay of its cities was noticed. In 396, Alaric first laid wute the country, and then settled in it with his Goths. The Vandals, as destroyers, had preceded the Goths, but a still more effective revolution was the consequence of the invasion of the Scythian Sclavi. This fierce and rude people crossed the Danube about the middle of the sixth century, supplanted the ancient, and introduced a new and still more barbarous pop In the process of a few succeeding centuries, these rude hordes were expanded, and established in Epirus, Macedonia, continental Greece, and the Morea. As the empire of the Romano Greeks declined, the Sclavi formed a powerful kingdom between the Danube and Mount Haemua, and in the west embracing Epirus. This kingdom was known by the name of Bulgaria. The Bulgarians invaded Panonia, in the beginning of the sixth century, defeated the imperial army, and were bribed to retire j an expedient which was, in effect, a security for their return. After many attempts and changes of fortune on both sides, the Sclavi were firmly established 8. of the Danube, had given their new name to the Moesian provinces, Bulgaria, which now designates the country. As early as 665, the Bulgarians advanced towards Constantinople, and reached Varna, from where the impolitic expedient of tribute obtained their momentary retreat ; but they were now a nation of southern Europe, and a most formidable scourge to the Romano Greeks. In 810, the emperor Nicephorus invaded Bulgaria, but was enveloped and destroyed with all his army. Three yean afterwards, the Bulgarians rushed into the em pire, and besieged Constantinople. Their ex treme danger at length roused the Romano Greeks, who were still sufficiently powerful, when in any manner well directed, to repres? these hordes, and they were driven from the empire. In time of peace their intercourse with the Greeks, brought the Bulgarians gradually into the pale of Christianity, which, however, produced but little moral change in their sanguinary and barbarous manners. The wealth and weakness of the Romano Greeks, incited constant hostility, and in 913, Simeon, king of Bulgaria, was before the walls of Constantinople. Through the greatest part of the 10th century, the Bulgarians maintained their ascen dancy, but in 975, the Romano Greeks had tbe good fortune to be ruled by a hero, Basil B This consummate general, though unable to prevent the Bulgarians from, in 994, taking Thessalonica, and rushing in a destructive tor
rent into Boctia, Attica and Peloponnesus, yet u this invasion, by dispersing', weakened their force, in the face of their now formidable opponent, he in a few years so effectually crushed their power by reiterated defeats, that in 1017 they submitted to become his subjects.
These Sclavonic bands had been now established S. of the Danube upwards of 500 years, and though composed of various tribes and nations, they imperceptibly melted into one mass, or rather into two; the eastern section known u Bulgarians, and the W. as Albanians. They had been independent tribes long enough to change the name of the provinces they inhabited, and as early as the 11th century, Roscia, Servia, Bosnia, Croatia, Bulgaria, and Albania, bad commenced to supplant the ancient provincial names of this part of Europe ; and what wasof greatly more consequence, to spread barbarism over the remotest corners of Greece.
To complete its degradation, in 1204, the imperial capital fell into the hands of a French and Venetian force, and a French nobleman placed on the throne of Constantine. Centuries before its actual conquest, the Normans, Genoese, Venetians, Catelans, he. under the general name of Franks, had made the continent and islands of Greece a thoroughfare in their approaches towards, and retreat from the Mahometan countries of Asia, and Africa. So deeply influential were those expeditions, and consequent commercial intercourse, as to give a new Unguage to the eastern part of the Mediterranean, and the lingua Franca, became a lasting testimony bow tar the Latin nations had supplanted the Greeks, in the very centre of Greece, in 1303, the Catelans, under the sectional name of Amotjravares, and admixed with robbers and murderers from Italy, were fixed in tbe Romano Greek empire, by Michael Paleologus. From the commencement of the 14th, to tbe middle of the 15th century, or for a period of 150 years, the Catelans or Amogavares, completed the physical and mental ruin began by the Bulgarians, A vares,and Albanians. Finally, tbe Mahometan Turks, already in Europe since 1353, totally subverted the empire by storming Coaatantiiople. Forced by the Turks from lhrace, the Catelans settled in continental Greece, and that fine region became once more partitioned into barbarous principalities of small extent. For several centuries, Greece, in respect to civilization and political imporance, was in a worse condition than it was during the heroic ages, twenty-five hundred years before. In the darkest period of the heroic ages, Greece bad one language j but under the Christian age of desolation, her incomparable language was superseded by barbarous dialects, too rude to admit reduction to written rules. Of all the crowds from the north, east, and west, which trampled the soil of ancient science, the Venetians and Genoese alone contributed to arrest tbe progress of ignorance and barbarism ; and e?en the Venetians and Genoese, being rivals "i commerce, their mutual contests increased disorders at the very heart of the Romano Greek empire. In fine, from the age of Constantine to the late revolution, the real Greek, and the Greek language, were disappearing from the earth, and had not the catastrophe been pre
vented by fanaticism on all sides, the Greeks, Turks, Albanians, and all other nations inhabiting the Ottoman empire, must have, in the lapse of five centuries, melted into one common mass, and have adopted the language of their conquerors. The Romans had already produced such an effect; but with the Romans, justice, liberty, and law, followed the sword: in Turkey all was mere brutal force.
From every evidence I have been able to collect, Albania, the Morea, continental Greece, Thessaly, Macedonia, and Thrace, are now inhabited by a hostile mixture of the descendants of Greeks, Romans, Goths, Vandals, Sclavi, Spaniards, modern Italians, and Ottomans, with other races of less consequence. A difference of manners, customs, religion, and language, is met with in every petty district. The Scythian character, according to Hobhouse, prevails in the mountainous regions, as well as in the Morea, Attica', and Hccotia. It must be obvious from what has been stated in this article, that to talk of Greeks in Greece, is little, if any less absurd, than to talk of Romans in Italy. A new national association may arise in Greece, but cannot be Greek. The real character of a subjugated people is always, infinitely better than their reputation; therefore what degrading accounts we read of the mixed inhabitants of Greece ought to be received with liberal allowance, for the disadvantages under which they labour. We must expect to find in the Morea and the islands, more remains of the ancient Greek manners and character, than in continental Greece; as foreign aggression and alloy, could reach the former with more difficulty than tbe latter section of this still very interesting country. This is the fact, as attested by Hobhouse, Poqueville, the Duke of Choiseuil Goufier, Chateaubriand, and indeed by almost every traveller. Much of the ancient personal appearance, dress, and manners are retained, even in continental Greece, but the moral base is overturned. Amongst ancient nations, when books were made up in manuscript, and of course excessively dear, the great body of society must have remained ignorant. It was individual rather than national intelligence, which gave pre-eminence to ancient Greece; and when foreign dominationjerushed the germ of genius, the arts, sciences, and national grandeur disappeared. I will not say with Hobhouse, that Greece cannot in any case be independent, but must confess that I see but little to hope in their favour. With two great military empires on one side, and a greater commercial empire on the other, and both inimical to their actual emancipation, the Turks are left undisturbed to gain experience in the art of war, and must in the end succeed in resubjugating or exterminating that nation we call Greek. This sanguinary consummation may be averted by the Greeks becoming a dependant on Great Britain, or submitting to a Russian or Austrian Vayvode.
Though not very generally fertile, the soil of Greece is more productive than could be expected from a country so broken by mountains. It is more celebrated for fruits than grain. The plains and valleys of Greece, produce however, in sufficient abundance, wheat,
barley, rice, maize, millet and other cerealia. Its fruits are abundant and delicious; the principal species are figs, grapes, apples, &c.
In many places, extensive orchards of the. white mulberry tree are cultivated, to feed the silk worm. The modern name of the Peloponnesus, the Morea, is derived from Moms, the Latin name of the Mulberry tree.
Honey is also amongst the most valuable productions of Greece. That of Attica, has been from time immemorial celebrated for its peculiar excellence. Cotton and tobacco, in modern times, have been introduced and are now generally cultivated.
In brief, Greece wants only freedom and release from the deteriorating and murdering despotism of the Turks, and national union, to again resume her rank amongst the most respectable nations of the world. Considerable advance has been made during the last 70 years, in rousing the Greeks to a recollection of what was once their ancestors, and an anticipation of what they may themselves be, if restored to self government. Literature has made, if we, estimate the many impediments opposed to its advance, astonishing progress of late. Great attention is paid to the ancient and modern languages of Greece. The former distinguished by the title of Helenic, and the latter, by that of Romaic, and differing about as much as Latin and Italian.
Increasing intelligence, and reading of their own classic authors, have led to a result which was inevitable, a resistance against their ancient and ferocious oppressors. That resistance is now in operation, and lost must that heart be, which is not with its every feeling, arrayed on the side of the Greeks ; would to heaven we could accompany our symphathies in this case with rational hope, but alas! dark is the prospect.
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Ampelaki, village of Greece on the island of Colour;, the ancient Salamis; situated near the ferry from the city of Athens, and contains about 80 houses, inhabited principally by Albanians.
Darby's Universal gazetteer, or A new geographical dictionary:: containing a ...Keratra, village of Greece, in Attica, SK. from Athens, about 15 ms. It is inhabited by Albanians, and contains about 250 houses ; situated near, though not on the Saronic Gulf, and at.the foot of a range of mountains, called Parne. From a hill behind Keratea Mr. Hobhouse obtained a " commanding prospect, including the southern extremity of the Negropont, Macroni si or Long Island, near the eastern coast, as far as Sunium, and several islands to the south of that promontory.
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Domethenia fetare e termit 'grek' ne shek. XIX:
.We now turn back to the Greeks, whom we left in the lowest depths of adversity, condemned at length to wear the chains of a barbarous Oriental despotism. It is well to premise, that under the same appellation we include, not only all those quondam subjects of the Eastern empire, who speak the modern Greek tongue, and owning spiritual obedience to the Byzantine church, are spread over Hellas, Macedonia, Thrace, the islands, and Asia Minor; but, likewise, the Christian Albanians of Roumelia and the Morea, who, differing from the former in language, physiognomy, and character, are allied to them by similarity of faith and suffering, and have borne a very active part in the contest for freedom. Any attempt accurately to estimate the total amount of this class of mankind would be fruitless. They are naturally most numerous in Proper Greece, Epirus, Constantinople and its vicinity, the Archipelago, and the maritime cities and districts of Anatolia. An inconsiderable Greek population languishes in the interior Asiatic provinces, where they have forgotten their own and adopted the Turkish language. On that continent the great body of Rayahs consists of Armenians, and those, of course, we do not take into account, any more than the Sclavonians of Europe, who have no affinity with the Greeks, except in religious communion
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One cannot and must not try to erase the past merely because it does not fit the present