"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

Etimologjia e fjales.

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Pa-pa, ba-ba dhe ma-ma jane me origjine onomatopeike. Femija ne menyre te natyrshme belbezon ashtu, por ne te njejten kohe "arkitekti" qe ka vene ne buzet e tij keto tinguj, mund te kete pasur parasysh pikerisht ato kuptime. Nderkohe qe per babane, une do isha dakort qe ai eshte 'bë-rësi', për nënën rrokja 'ma' ndoshta ka lidhje me ushqimin, duke qene se femija sheh tek ma-ma-ja, burimin e ushqimit, fillimisht nepermjet gjirit dhe me pas ne menyren tradicionale. Prandaj dhe foshnjat e kuptojne fjalen 'mam' si ushqim.
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Zeus10 wrote:Pa-pa, ba-ba dhe ma-ma jane me origjine onomatopeike. Femija ne menyre te natyrshme belbezon ashtu, por ne te njejten kohe "arkitekti" qe ka vene ne buzet e tij keto tinguj, mund te kete pasur parasysh pikerisht ato kuptime. Nderkohe qe per babane, une do isha dakort qe ai eshte 'bë-rësi', për nënën rrokja 'ma' ndoshta ka lidhje me ushqimin, duke qene se femija sheh tek ma-ma-ja, burimin e ushqimit, fillimisht nepermjet gjirit dhe me pas ne menyren tradicionale. Prandaj dhe foshnjat e kuptojne fjalen 'mam' si ushqim.
Sidomos kur në Arabisht dhe semitike gjejmë rrënjët akoma më të prononcuara të protoshqipes:

-ABË = baba = A+bë = o bë-rësi, dhe

-UMË = nënë = U+më = Um-ma, MË MBA( në arabisht kan dy varijante, UMË dhe UMMA)

-Ibën = djalë = i+bën = i bëri

-Banat = vajzat(shumës)= të bënat(singular, vajzë=bint)
Nuk është i forti ai që ngadhënjen njerëzit, por i forti është ai që ngadhënjen vetëvehten!!!
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Nderkohe dua te them qe ποι e "greqishtes", mund te jete shqiptuar boj, qe ne krye te heres.

Kjo eshte mjaft interesante Zeus, B e shqipes ne P te heleneve ,pervec nje b > v qe eshte e qendrueshme. Po perdor njeren qe eshte e bukur per tu ditur.Fjalen shqipe burrë po ta shkruajme me alfabetin e Kadmit del βυρ dhe po ta lexojme del vyr ose vir, qe e perdoren latinet dmth lenda e pare ishte leksema shqipe burre dhe duket si gabim teknik tek latinet por si zhvillim fonetik une besoj se ndodhi ne Epir b > v sikur bra > vlla dhe u fut ne gegerisht me vone dhe geget ruajten bre ,hajde bre 'hajde vlla''.Disa b shqip = p helene , balte- πηλός ''mud'' ; βάλλά - Pella etj. por ne origjinen e saj me te hershme kur u krijua ky alfabet, Beta duhet te kete perfaqesuar fonemen B shqipe psh. βάλλ , Άκρα ''highest point'' shqip ballë; βάξειν λέγειν, shqip bëzaj ,baj za.
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Do te ishte e paarsyeshme, qe """grekeve""" t'ju mungonte tingulli B-ë, qekurse β perfaqson nje tingull tjeter.
Bardus, jo vetem ne "greqishte", por dhe ne vete shqipen e para-Kongresit, pi-ja eshte perdorur si konvencion per tingullin B-ë:

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The term hijab in Arabic literally means “a screen or curtain” and is used in the Qur'an to refer to a partition

Could this albanians word? Hijab = Hi = shaddow and qebe = carpet, or cutain. So this make me believe that hijab was first used only for protection against the sun, and later was used in islamic quran
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Me pa me të hollth fjallë të atilla aq plake, vjen me glanë si me u këllitun ndë ma të thellat të detit e të shohesh gjana të papana ndokun ndë të cektat.
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O Zeus o neri
lyp niem pr kt gja :



G -> k -> c-> s = X
G -> k -> c = (metathesis) Ckri, Ckrua,

pei kai arkha em grve (ger + ve) e vnoi ger...
Grvisc
Gric
Grie-(ie->j) Grij->
Grvin (v->ph) Grv-Graph
Gry (Grrye)
Gruaj-Kruaj-Scratch
Grhan-Krhan-Krahen-(me i greh lesin)
Grsr-Gere-shere-Scissors
Grbuj-> Gerbaj-Gerboi- i gia pr me grvisc gjen.
Grhat->Snore (boi gerr n'gium)
Grm -> Germa-> nrrue pei G en K en C-> Skrue-Scronie
Grmi -> Grr - mi (mouse) mih Grmoj -( Grmi-Drmi) Grrmi -Drrmi G-D ene G-TH Thrrmi Thermoj
Grigje-> gjaja ki grin (gavscha ki grine ) G-K Kavsha Kafsha.... gja-nja ki ha tuj gri barin.
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ni t'pame ki nihmue O Zeus..
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est i dok-u-men (doken ment) kia di-fton ton at lastsi tgue ton.

Prin -Prien (ie->j) Prij

en Testament t'ri e tan dok-u-ment-et e niasme Iliad.
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Prien (ie)-> j Prij
Prie (f) st
Prin(d)
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Prien
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G-> K->S= (ks-> X gjen-xen
G-> K->c = (metathesis) Ckruaj-Shkrua-Krua-
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amathia wrote:O Zeus o neri
lyp niem pr kt gja :



G -> k -> c-> s = X
G -> k -> c = (metathesis) Ckri, Ckrua,

pei kai arkha em grve (ger + ve) e vnoi ger...
Grvisc
Gric
Grie-(ie->j) Grij->
Grvin (v->ph) Grv-Graph
Gry (Grrye)
Gruaj-Kruaj-Scratch
Grhan-Krhan-Krahen-(me i greh lesin)
Grsr-Gere-shere-Scissors
Grbuj-> Gerbaj-Gerboi- i gia pr me grvisc gjen.
Grhat->Snore (boi gerr n'gium)
Grm -> Germa-> nrrue pei G en K en C-> Skrue-Scronie
Grmi -> Grr - mi (mouse) mih Grmoj -( Grmi-Drmi) Grrmi -Drrmi G-D ene G-TH Thrrmi Thermoj
Grigje-> gjaja ki grin (gavscha ki grine ) G-K Kavsha Kafsha.... gja-nja ki ha tuj gri barin.
Jam shume dakort me keto Amathia. Kam sh-kruar shume heret qe:
kruaj---> sh-kruaj(carving)
gërryej---> gërma(grama)
sepse fillimet e shkrimit kane qene, kruarja-gërryerja e drurit, gurit ose me tej.
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amathia wrote:Prien (ie)-> j Prij
Prie (f) st
Prin(d)
Po Amathia, jemi ndalur me hollesi dhe tek kjo lidhje. Dhe kemi thene qe:

pri-nd=para-rendes

Kjo parafjale pri=pre=para, qe patjeter ka lidhje me foljen prij, e ka shpjegimin etimologjik ne vleren semantike te tingujve te saj.
"Prij" ka ardhur nga reduktimi i "pa-ri-j". Secila prej dy rrokjeve, perfaqson folje te thjeshta, qe bartin nje kuptim te caktuar, por te kombinuara ne nje fjale, ato shprehin nje ide. Ne rastin konkret "prij" apo "para" do te thote "ai/ajo gje/njeri qe qendron e dukshme në krye" dhe çdo kuptim perfaqsohet nga ideofone.
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