Absolut ke te drejte, Mallakastrioti! Njohuria e Homerit per ate qe me vone u quajt Epir perfshinte vec Dodonen, Perrhebine (aty afer), sellet si dhe lumin Akelo. Nese ''Iliada'' e kodifikuar nga Pisistrati (ne shekullin VI p.l.k) reflekton besnikerisht ngjarjet nja dy shekuj me heret (pra ato te VIII), atehere kjo ka njefare sensi:Mallakastrioti wrote:Te pakten, sipas studiueseve te shekullit te 19 mbas eres sone, me kete fjale Homeri nuk i referohej ndonje toponimi ne Epir apo siper gjirit te Artes, perkundrazi ndoshta kemi te bejme me Akarnanine, por me e rendesishme eshte se as nuk i dihet kuptimi i vertet dhe perse eshte perdorur
Pra, kolonizatoret e pare te Etolise kurete-lelege ishin helenet e ardhur nga Elisi, gje qe nenkupton qe ky regjion ishte teresisht jo-grek ab origine.The peoples known as the Curetes and the Leleges originally inhabited the country, but at an early period Greeks from Elis, led by the mythical eponym Aetolus, set up colonies.
Homer only mentions five Aetolian cities, and all of these are near the coast, bounded on the east by Acarnania and on the west by Western Locris.
Eumenes of Cardia: A Greek Among Macedonians, Edward Anson - 2004 - Page 212
Kjo i hap rruge sqarimit te Kirstenit se iliret paraprakisht (dmth qysh nga shek.XII p.e.s) zoteronin krejt Etoline, madje edhe ishin themelues te qyteteve te Pleuronit dhe Kalydonit, te cilat me vone u zaptuan nga ardhesit greke:. In the fifth century, however, the Aetolians had no direct access to the Corinthian Gulf and the cities Homer mentions as Aetolian, such as Kalydon and Pleuron, were not part of Aetolian territory, but belong to coastal region Aeolis"
Klaus Freitag - 2005, page 352
Me pak dallime nga Kirsteni, hipoteza ime do te ishte kesisoj:He emphasizes the historical elements in the Iliad and the mythological stories and seems convinced that Aetolians of Homer were of a totally other race ('ein ganz anderer Stamm') than the Aetolians of historical times, who had only their name in common. He concluded that after the war between the original Aetolians and the Curetes ('der alteste Krieg auf eurpaischem Boden), the latter ruled over the Aetolian lands until they were driven away by halfbarbarian mountaineers who named themselves after the ancient inhabitants.
[...]It seems that the final version of Kirsten's explanation for the 'Aeolis' question is that one should distinguish the ''Illyrian'' founders of Calydon and Pleuron (who moved later to Elis, but they are the ones called Aetolians in the Iliad), from the...
Historia : Zeitschrift fur alte Geschichte, 1988, pp. 303-304
Pra, shikuar nga perspektiva e Pleuronit, Kalydonit dhe qyteteve tjera bredgetare, pjesa e brendshme, pra hinterlandi i Etolise u quajt ''Epir'' (stere). Por kur kolonizimi grek arriti te merrte ne dore viset pertej gjirit te Artes (duke filluar me Ambrakine per te vazhduar me Korkyren), atehere edhe viset qe ishin perballe tyre do te quheshin ''Epir''.'what is this Greece which you demand that I should evacuate, and how do you define Greece? Certainly most of the Aetolians themselves are not Greeks! The countries of the Agraae, the Apodotea, and the Aphilochians cannot be regarded as Greek. So do you allow me to remain in those territories."
Nje portret i Pirros (mbretit te Epirit), qe mund te konsiderohet "fotografi" e kohesBEUTHER (von Carlstatt), Michael: Michael Beuthers der Rechten Doctoris. Warhafftiger kurzer Bericht von mannigerlei Kriegs und anderen fürnemen Händeln/viler zum theyle von Uralten/zum theyle von Newlichern zeiten her/bei Christen und Unchristen gewesener berühmter Keyser/ Könige/ Fürsten/ Grauen/ Edlen/ als deren eygenliche Bildnisse Paulus Jouius/ vorweilen Bischoff von Nocera/ durch vilfältige gelegenheit zusammengebracht/ und in seiner Bibliotheca oder Librareje zu Newen Como abgemalt hinderlassen... Und: Kurzbegriffene anzeigung vom Leben und Wesen/ Der... Könige zu Dänemarck/ Sueden/ Nordwagen..; 3.Ausg./2.Ausg. 2 Bde. in 1., (360 S., 80 S., 1 Bl.) Mit 137 (von 138) Holzschnitt-Portraits von Tobias STIMMER, sowie 13 leergelassenen Portrait-Rahmen. - Getruckt zu Basel : Durch Conradum Waldkirch. : M.D.LXXXVIII. : (M.D.LXXXVII.) - Basel, Conrad Waldkirch, 1588/1587
Pa dyshim se po, është një vëndemërtim i lashtë dhe vëndas (sikurse fshatrat Bardhaj, Balibardhë, Bardha i Ri, Guri i Bardhë, të cilët po ashtu mund të kenë lidhje me Bardhinët/Parthinët).Mallakastrioti wrote:Personalisht do shtoja qe ndeshim edhe ne toponime te tjera te cilat jane tregues qe ne kete territor banonin Parthet e lashte. Vet toponimi i nje fshati aty prane qytetit te Beratit, i cili quhet Lapardha, eshte nje tregues i qarte. Ky toponim ndoshta vjen prej periudhave me te hershme se ai sllav.
Afërmënç!bardus wrote:ΒΑΡΔΟYΣIA 'Bardhoshja ?'.
A scholion to The Iliad, cited earlier, defines Dodona as the land of the Hyperboreans. Very often their land was associated with the kingdom of Admetes in Pherai in Thessaly. Philostephanos informs that Hyperboreas (the eponym of the tribe) was a Thessalian, Phanodemos claims that he was Athenian, while other authors testify that Hyperboreas was a Pelasgian, associating him with the ancient figure of Phoroneos from Argos. It was known that Phoroneos was credited with having discovered the fire while the Hyperborean island Delos was also called Pyrpole. Pliny the Elder also tells that fire was discovered there. (p. 17)  |
....This uncertainty in the characterization of the Hyperboreans with the island of Delos, with Delphi, Thessaly, Attica, Dodona, with Sicily and Southern Italy, was well as with Crete, although the general notion about them was that they inhabited the extreme north or the periphery of the Greek world. (p. 18) The Hyperboreans: A Study in the Paleo-Balkan Tradition, Tsvete Lazova St. Kliment Ohridski University Press, Jan 1, 1996. |
ἐνθεῦτεν δὲ πρὸς μεσαμβρίην προπεμπόμενα πρώτους Δωδωναίους Ἑλλήνων δέκεσθαι ... and the people of Dodona receive them first of all the Hellenes |
Zeus10 wrote:Anonymous Panegyric of Emperors Manuel and John VIII Paleologos
Year 1428
PS. Ju lutem gjeni origjinalin ne greqisht, sepse eshte zhdukur nga qarkullimi, vetem per te fshehur kete fjali, qe derrmon propaganden greke.....Only Arta and Ioannina are peopled by Greeks, while the Albanians occupy the rest of Epirus.
