"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

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Këtu mund të flisni mbi historinë tonë duke sjellë fakte historike për ndriçimin e asaj pjese të historisë mbi të cilen ka rënë harresa e kohës dhe e njerëzve.
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Kjo teme le te behet vendgrumbullimi i të gjitha njohurive tona mbi toponiminë e Azisë e cila shpjegohet përmes shqipes!

Si sfond i sigurtë shjegimi për gjithçka duhet të shërbejë fakti i vendosjes së ushtrisë iliro-maqedono-thrakase kudo në Azinë e pushtuar (ç'prej Taxhikistanit, Kinës Lindore e gjër në Indinë Veriore (Himalaj Pradesh) dhe Kashmir.
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the philosopher Aristotle of Stagira argued that from the Hindu Kush, one could see the eastern Ocean.
http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:-K ... =firefox-a
Disa të dhëna të përgjithshme mbi HindoKushin:
The Hindu Kush is a mountain range stretching between north-western Pakistan and eastern and central Afghanistan. The highest point in the Hindu Kush is Tirich Mir (7,708 m or 25,289 ft) in the Chitral region of the North-West Frontier Province of Pakistan.It is the westernmost extension of the Pamir Mountains, the Karakoram Range, and is a sub-range of the Himalayas. It is also calculated to be the geographic center of population of the world. [1]
Ja dhe vendodndhja e tyre në hartë:

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Duke u ndodhur para faktit se një numër maktrotoponimesh të tipit oronim në Azi (Himalaja, Pamiri, Hunza) mund të shpjegohen bindshëm përmes shqipes, edhe HinduKush ka një përafëri logjike me shqipen. Sips të dhënave që i paraqita më sipër të historianit modern holandez Jona Lendering, thotë se Aristoteli (i cili në fakt ia dha të gjitha njohuritë gjeografike nxënësit të tij, Lekës) se nga malet e HindoKushit mund të shihej Oqeani i Lindjes (i cili pas botëkuptimeve të ngushta gjeografike të lashtësisë paramendohej si skaji ose fundi i botës). Në fakt, sipas gjithë historianëve që janë marrë me pushtimet e Lekës, thuhet se ushtria e Lekës fazën më të vështirë të të gjitha fushatave në Azi e përjetoi pikërisht në HinduKush si pasojë e tri shkaqeve:
-sulmet guerile të fiseve skytho-baktriane
-terreni tepër i vështirë
-zemërata gjithnjë e në rritje e ushtarëve të Lekës të cilët ishin hidhëruar me prijësin e tyre 'kokëkrisur' i cili vazhdonte e vazhdonte në rrezik për ta humbur gjithë atë që e fituan me aq gjak e aq mund (merre me mend: ishte mposhtur një Perandori shumëshekullore perse që kish sunduar botën).

Masivet e egra e të pafundme malore duhet t'ia kenë sjellur shpirtin në fyt (siç thotë fjala) ushtarëve të Lekës së Madh. Leka i Madh u kishte thënë se ishin duke mësyre gjër në Oqeanin e Lindjes, mirëpo ai oqen nuk dukej se nuk dukej (edhe pse lartësia mesate e këtyre masive malore rrok prej 7000-8000 m lartësi mdidetare, oqeani (sot indian) nuk dukej si pasojë e vargëzimit të maleve njëri pas tjetrit, gjë që pamundësonte shikimin para. HinduKush mund të zbërthehet në dy rrënjë bazë: Hind+Kush. Në këtë rast, pjesa e dytë 'Kush' në gjuhën shqipe ka funksion të pyetësorit. Sipas Çabejt, në të kaluarën, pyetësori 'Kush' kuptimisht mund të përdorej edhe për 'Ku'. Nëse është e saktë kjo atëherë gjen njëfarë baze shpjegimi 'Kush' sepse nëse bëjmë një barazim hipotetik të fjalës 'Hind' me 'Lind' ose 'Lindje' zbardhet enigma e këtij makro-oronimi: HindoKush = Ku është Lindja?
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Teza nr.2: MALANA

Ku është Malana?

Disa informacione bazë:
Malana is an ancient village to the north-east of Kullu Valley. This solitary village in the Malana Nala a side valley of the Parvati Valley is isolated from the rest of the world. The majestic peaks of Chandrakhani and Deotibba shadow the village. It is situated on a remote plateau by the side of torrential Malana river at a height of 3029 m above the sea level. Unaffected by the modern civilisation, Malana has its own lifestyle and social structure. People are strict in following their customs.
Veçantitë e këtij vendi:
Malana has a history and it goes back to Jamlu rishi (sage) who inhabited this place and made rules and regulations. It is one of the oldest democracies of the world with a well organized parliamentary system. All of this is guided by the their devta (deity) Jamlu rishi.[1] Although Jamlu is currently identified with a sage from the Puranas, this is a relatively recent developement. Jamlu is believed to have been worshipped in pre-Aryan times. Penelope Chetwood recounts a tale about an orthodox Brahmin priest, who visited Malana, and tried to educate the locals about the pedigree of their god, and what subsequently befell the hapless priest.[2]
The residents of Malana speak Kanashi/Raksh (supposedly the dialect of evils residing there long ago), which is understood only by the villagers. The residents of Malana consider themselves the descendant of Aryans (from Central Asia). Malana is considered to be one of the first democracies in the world. They acquired their independence during the Mughal reign when the Emperor Akbar walked to the village in order to cure an ailment that he was afflicted with. After having been successfully cured he put out an edict stating that all the inhabitants of the valley would never be required to pay tax.A dam project, the Malana Hydro Power Station, has brought Malana much closer to the rest of the world and provides revenue for the region. A new road has shortened the walking time from several days to just 4 hours.
There are various legends about their origin. According to one of them, it is believed that they are the descendants of Greek soldiers of Alexander's army. As the legend goes, some soldiers took refuge in this remote land after Alexander left the country and later settled there permanently.[/quote]

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Informacionet shënojnë se në Azi ndodhen edhe disa 'Malana' të tjera, gjegjësisht në:
* Basti Malana - a town in Punjab, Pakistan
* Malana, Himachal Pradesh - an ancient village in India
* Malana, NWFP - a town in NWFP, Pakistan.
* Parachinar Malana - a town in Kurram Agency, Pakistan.
Për mendimin tim, ajo çka është e përbashkët mbi këto vendbanime me njejtësi toponomistike është fakti që janë thuajse brenda një zone, ku dikur ka bërë pjesë në Mbretëritë Indo-Maqedonase (si dyzim midis klikave ushtarake iliro-maqedone të Lekës dhe popullsive vendase) dhe rrënja duhet kërkuar logjikisht tek baza 'Mal'. Nga informacionet e hollësishme që jep interneti mësohet se Malana (të paktën ajo në Himaçal Pradesh) ndodhet në një terren krejtësisht malor. Mathiew Aref në librin e tij 'Shqipëria...' e citonter një gjuhëtar të huaj që pahëtonte faktin e çuditshëm (për të) të ekzisitimit të një uniteti monolit prej Gjibraltarit (Spanjë) e gjër në Himalaje të një përhapeje të fjalës MAL. Nuk ka nevojë këtu të bëhet zhbirimi i fjalës MAL, i cili pa kurrfarë dyshimi është i gurrës Shqipe, mirëpo ajo çka është më e rëndsësishme është se Shqipja ka kapacitetit të mjaftueshëm të zgjidhjes së mijëra enigmave etimologjike në Azinë Qendrore.
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Teoria nr. 3:POPULLI UJGUR

Ujgurët janë një popullsi e dallueshme në gjuhë, zakone, kulturë dhe fe nga pjesa tjetër e Kinës. Pa u zgjatur shumë, ja dhe një pasqyrë e shkurtër informacioni:
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Duhet përmendur medoemos se në Ksiniang (atdheu i ujgurëve pra) janë gjetur gjurmë të llojndryshme të një presence të dikurshme iliro-maqedone:
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Statuette of a Macedonian soldier, from a 4th–3rd century BC burial site north of the Tian Shan, at the maximum extent of Alexander's advance in the East (Ürümqi, Xinjiang Museum, China) (drawing)

Vërejtje: Në këtë rikonstruktim të statujës së ushtarit Maqedon, mund të vëresh poshtë parzmorës së tij palët e fustanellës!
Ka mundësi se emri etnik i Ujgurëve duhet të jetë i dhënë ose të ketë marrë formë nga ushtarë të Lekës së Madh. Kjo ka ndodhur për shkak të sipërisë kulturore dhe intelektuale (mos të tingëllojë aspak racizëm) të ushtrisë së Lekës së Madh e cila ashtu-kështu u imponua fituese dhe rrjedhimisht bënte 'ligjin' vet kudo që shkelte. 'Ujgur' mund të ndahet në dy pjesë: 'ujë' dhe 'gur' që mund të jetë referuar ndonjë terreni ujor midis gurishtave që karekterizojnë Kinën Lindore.
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Alexander the Great: his towns

Bust of Alexander the Great, bust from Rhodes, now in the Musée Royal de Mariemont, Morlanwelz (Belgium). Photo Marco Prins.
Bust of Alexander the Great, from Rhodes, now in the Musée Royal de Mariemont
Alexander's biographer Plutarch of Chaeronea states that Alexander the Great founded no less than seventy towns, which were important centers of the Greek cultures in the East. By these foundations, the sage of Chaeronea implies, the Macedonian conqueror changed the nature of his oriental subjects from barbarians into civilized people.

This in exaggerated. As far as we know, Alexander founded some twenty towns: real Greek towns (poleis) -which Plutarch must have had in mind-, permanent military garrisons (katoikiai) and temporary military settlement (phrouria). Other towns were simply repopulated or just renamed.

1. Alexandrupolis: founded in 340 by the crown prince. This was a complete Greek city, built among the Maedians, a tribe on the banks of the Strymon. Neighborhood of modern Sandanski (Bulgaria).
2. Alexandria in Troas: a town near Troy, founded in the Spring of 334. It may have been founded by one of Alexander's successors.
3. Alexandria by the Latmus: a town in Caria, maybe founded as a garrison or military settlement in the winter of 333. Probably, it was founded by one of the successors of Alexander, who called it to the former king.
4. Alexandria near Issus: Probably a permanent garrison where veterans of the battle of Issus could begin a new life, together with local inhabitants. Modern Iskenderun in Turkey.
5. Tyre: repopulated with Greek emigrants and natives in 332/331, together with a permanent Macedonian garrison.
6. Gaza: repopulated with Greek emigrants and natives in 331, together with a permanent Macedonian garrison.
7. Alexandria: the site was chosen in January 330; the city was founded on 7 April. This was an entirely Greek city, although there was also a native quarter and a Jewish quarter. The Jews and natives were second-class citizens (text).
8. Alexandria in Aria: perhaps, the Arian capital Artacoana was repopulated with natives and Macedonian veterans in September 330. It was probably meant as a permanent garrison. Alternatively, this was a completely new town. Modern Herât in Afghanistan.
9. Prophthasia in Drangiana: the Drangian capital Phrada was just renamed in October 330; 'Prophthasia' means 'Anticipation'. Modern Farâh in Afghanistan.
10. Alexandria in Arachosia: the Arachosian capital Kapisa was repopulated with natives and Macedonian veterans in the winter of 330/329. It was a permanent garrison. Modern Kandahâr in Afghanistan, which still bear's Alexander's name (derived from Iskandariya, the Arabic and Persian rendering of "Alexander").
11. Alexandria in the Caucasus: the Gandarian capital Kapiša-kaniš was repopulated with 4,000 natives and 3,000 Greek veterans in March 329. It was a permanent garrison or a Greek city, although many settles felt that it was a punitive colony. Modern Chârikâr in Afghanistan.
12. Alexandria Eschatê: founded in the Summer of 329 as a permanent garrison on the Jaxartes (Syrdar'ya). Settled with Macedonian and Greek veterans and native serfs. Modern Khodzent in Tajikistan.
13. Alexandria on the Oxus: refoundation of a Persian city, settled with Greek and Iranian veterans and native serfs. Probably modern Ai Khanum in Afghanistan. Probably founded in the Spring of 328. Modern Termez?
14. Six cities north of the Oxus. Populated with native prisoners of war who served as serfs for the Macedonian soldiers. Meant as permanent garrisons, together forming a kind of wall against the northern tribes, the Sacae.
15. Alexandria in Margiana: refoundation of a Persian city in the oasis of Mary in modern Turkmenistan. Settled with Macedonian, Greek and Iranian veterans and native serfs.
16. Arigaeum: the Aspasian capital was repopulated with natives and Macedonian veterans in the Spring of 326. It was a permanent garrison. Modern Nawagai in Pakistan. In the neighborhood were several temporary military settlements: Bazira, Ora, Massaga.
17. Nicaea and Bucephala: twin foundation of permanent garrisons on opposite banks of the Hydaspes (Jhelum), founded in May 326 on the battle field. Settled with Greek, Macedonian and Iranian veterans and natives. Modern Jhelum in Pakistan? The towns had large dockyards, which suggests that they were meant as a center commerce.
18. Alexandria on the Hyphasis: founded in July 326 at the eastern border of Alexander's empire. Settled with veterans of unknown origin.
19. Alexandria on the Indus: founded in February 325 on the confluence of the Indus and the Acesines (Chenab), probably on the site of an older, Persian settlement. Settled with Thracian veterans and natives. Uch in Pakistan. It had large dockyards, which suggests that it was meant as a center commerce.
20. Another town on the Indus: founded in the Spring of 325 among the Indian Sogdians. Probably a temporary military station north of Rohri.
21. Patala ('naval base') or Xylinepolis ('wooden city'): temporary military settlement, founded in July 325 at the place of an earlier, Indian town. Vacated after September 325. Modern Bahmanabad, 75 kilometers north-east of Hyderabad.
22. Rhambacia: a town among the Oreitians that was fortified by Hephaestion and Leonnatus in the Autumn of 325. If it was meant as a permanent garrison, it was soon vacated. Modern Bela in Pakistan.
23. Alexandria in Carmania: if this city was founded by Alexander (and not by Seleucus), it must have been a permanent garrison founded in January 324. Perhaps modern Golâshkerd in Iran.
24. Alexandria in Susiana: not far from the mouth of the Tigris. Probably settled with Macedonian, Greek and Iranian veterans and natives. Later known as Spasinou Charax. In the neighborhood of Al Qurnah in Iraq.


These were the towns that were founded by Alexander. Most of them are military settlements, where Macedonian and Greek veterans were left. They were not happy, so far from the Mediterranean, and on at least two occasions -both after a report of Alexander's death- the homesick veterans decided to go home (text).

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21. Patala ('naval base') or 21. Patala ('naval base') or Xylinepolis ('wooden city'): temporary military settlement, founded in July 325 at the place of an earlier, Indian town. Vacated after September 325. Modern Bahmanabad, 75 kilometers north-east of Hyderabad.
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klasa intelektuale shqiptaren ,nuk eshte ne gjendje te ndeshet akoma me realitetin madhore te autoktonis soone,sepse ajo mbetet nje klase dembele edhe aspak dobisjellse per kombin.dikur e gjithe bota e njohur fliste shqip, edhe nga gjuha jone rrjedhin gjuhet me te shumta te botes se sotme
KOHA ESHTE E MASKARENJVE/POR ATDHEU I SHQIPETRAVE
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