"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

EPIRI - PERKATESIA E TIJ SHQIPTARE

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Socio po pate kohe dhe mundesi do te ishte mire qe te gjenim materiale te anglezit R.Crossland per Epirin,
sepse (sipas librit te John Shea-s ai e mbron ne njefare menyre ilirictetin e Epirit) kjo
do na sherbente shume ne cfaredo perballje me greket.

Ja disa referenca qe mund te sherbejne per ta gjetur:


Sidomos ne kete te paren:

1. R.A.Crossland, “Linguistic Problems of the Balkan Area in Late Prehistoric and Early Classical Periods”, in the The Cambridge Ancien history, 2d ed., vol.3, pt.1, ed. By John Boardman, I.E.S. Edwards, N.G.L.Hammond, and E.Sollberger (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1982).

2.The Prehistory of the Balkans; and the Middle East and the Aegean world, tenth to eighth centuries B.C.
Chapter 15: Illyris, Epirus and Macedonia in the Early Iron Age
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ALBPelasgian wrote:Socio po pate kohe dhe mundesi do te ishte mire qe te gjenim materiale te anglezit R.Crossland per Epirin,
sepse (sipas librit te John Shea-s ai e mbron ne njefare menyre ilirictetin e Epirit) kjo
do na sherbente shume ne cfaredo perballje me greket.

Ja disa referenca qe mund te sherbejne per ta gjetur:


Sidomos ne kete te paren:

1. R.A.Crossland, “Linguistic Problems of the Balkan Area in Late Prehistoric and Early Classical Periods”, in the The Cambridge Ancien history, 2d ed., vol.3, pt.1, ed. By John Boardman, I.E.S. Edwards, N.G.L.Hammond, and E.Sollberger (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1982).

2.The Prehistory of the Balkans; and the Middle East and the Aegean world, tenth to eighth centuries B.C.
Chapter 15: Illyris, Epirus and Macedonia in the Early Iron Age

Vol 2 part 1
http://books.google.com/books/cambridge ... q=&f=false

Vol 2 part 2
http://books.google.com/books/cambridge ... q=&f=false

Vol 3 Part 1, p187; p 619; p834
http://books.google.com/books/cambridge ... q=&f=false


Vol 3 part 2
http://books.google.com/books/cambridge ... q=&f=false

Vol 3 part 3, p261
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Une gjeta keto... disa faqe mungojne, une nuk u mora shume per ta lexuar se nuk kame kohe ne kete periudhe, po prape besoj se ka materiale ineresante ku bene paralelizam midis ilris she epirit...
Ka 14 volume gjithsej.. nese duhen dhe te tjeret i postoj..
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Faleminderit Alb !

Ketu jane disa citime te zgjedhura te autoreve te lashte mbi shqiptaresine e Epirit :

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Pune e mbaruar Socio!


Materialet jane te jashtezakonshme, mirepo per fat te keq disa faqe jane te paqasshme, per arsyeje te panjohura.
Ja materiali qe sfidon haptas doktrinen e Megali Idese dhe filohelenizmit boteror:

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Kolonizimi i Epirit:

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Epiro Albania
Epirus Albania... :D
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TAVOLA DE' NOMI ANTICHI ET MODERNI DE' LVOGHI
Tables of ancient and modern names of places

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Epiro. Albania
Epirus (ancient name) Albania (the moderm name)
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TH CHRONIC OF CAPTAIN PRINCE GEORGE CASTRIOT KING OF EPIRUS OR ALBANIA
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Epiro, Albania; fra la Bossnia, e la Mcedonia
Epirus, Albania; between Bosnia and Macedonia

Epiroti popoli d'Albania
Epirotes, Albanian people
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V'na altra hoggidi si chiama Albania nell'Europa & è quella che anticamente chiamarono Epiro
Another palce is called Albania in Europe & is that in ancient times wos colled Epirus

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CORFV, gia detta Corcira, è l'isola vicino ad Epiro o Albania
Corfu alredy colled Corcyra, is an island near Epirus, Albania

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EPIRO, con questa voce Epiro, che a noi suaona Terra soda, chiamano Leandro & Lirineo vna parte dell'Albania, l'altra parte d'essa Albania è la parte della Macedonia che a mar ionio piega
Epirus, Epirus with this voice, which sounds to us earth firm, Leandro & Lirineo called a part of Albania, the other Part of Albania is colled Macedonia that ends at the Ionian sea
L'Epiro fu gia il regno di Pirro rè molto famoso, & nell'anata etò egli hebbe il suo incliso Duka, Signore Giorgio Castriotta, per sopranome Scanderbech, il quale fu di grandissimo terrore dei Turchi
Epirus wos in the past the kingdom of Pirrus, the famous king, in the going of time Epirus wos governed by his duke, Lord Georg Kastriotta known as Scanderbeg the terror of the Turks
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Lezha: where wos bureid the brave Alexander Scaderbec, who for his achievements deserved to be colled the King of the Albanians
Puoi seguitano le montagne Acroceraunie o Ceraunie in Epiro, da i moderni nominati le Cimere, & il paese dell'Epiro, Albania, abitato da quelli che si chiamano Albanesi christiani
Then there are the Acroceraunie or Ceraunie in Epirus, by the moderns are colled Cimere, & the country of Epirus, Albania, is inhabited by those who call themselves christian Albanians

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e dall'altra, da quella dell'istria, Dalmazia, schiavonia, e parte dell'Albania altre volte detta Epiro
In the other part (of Adriatic sea) there are Istria, Dalmazia, sclavonia, and part of Albania sometimes colled Epirus
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EPIRO, Albania paese fertile di velocisimi cavalli
EPIRUS Albania a fertile country with fast horses

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EPIDAVRO citta d'Epiro
Epidauro (the modern Durres) a city in Epirus
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Pirro TE LUMTE qe i solle keto materiale te shkelqyeshme nga gjuha italiane per perkatesine shqiptare te Epirit!
Ne te vertete, ne kemi nevoje qe te mbledhin sa me shume material si nga italishtja ashtu edhe nga turqishtja,
sepse hem ne Turqi hem ne Itali mund te gjenden materiale me vlere qe dokumentojne brumin etnik shqiptar te Epirit!
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Skylaksi, ky gjeograf i lashtesise teksa pershkruan fiset e kaoneve, thesproteve dhe molosoeve thote nder te tjerash per
menyren e organizimit tew tyre shoqerore:
28. CHAONES. And after Illyrians, Chaonians. And Chaonia has good harbours: and the Chaonians live in villages. And the coastal voyage of Chaonia is a half of a day.

29. KORKYRA. And by Chaonia is an island, Korkyra, and a Hellenic city in it, having three harbours by the city: of these the one is enclosed. And Korkyra belongs also to Thesprotia more than Chaonia. And I return again onto the mainland, whence I turned aside.

30. THESPROTIANS. And after Chaonia are the Thesprotian nation. And these too live in villages: and this territory also has good harbours. Here is a harbour, which has name Elaia. Into this the harbour the river Acheron emits: and there is lake Acherousia, out of which the Acheron fiver flows. And the coastal voyage of Thesprotias is a half of a day.

31. KASSOPIANS. And after Thesprotia is the nation Kassopia. And these too live in villages. And these live beside as far as into the Anaktoric gulf. And the coastal voyage of the Kassopians’ territory is a half of a day; and the Anaktoric gulf is a little less from its mouth as far as into the inner end, 120 stades. And the mouth has width 4 stades.

32. MOLOTTIA(MOLOSSIA). And after Kassopia are the Molottian nation. And these live in villages: and they come down only a little here to the sea, and largely into the interior. And the coastal voyage of Molottian territory is of 40 stades.

33. AMBRAKIA. And after Molottia, Ambrakia, a Hellenic city: and this is distant from sea 80 stades. And there is also upon the sea a fort and an enclosed harbour. From here Hellas begins to be continuous as far as Peneios river and Homolion, a city of Magnesian territory, which is beside the river. And the coastal voyage of Ambrakia is of 120 stades.
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Arberi, jam i detyruar ta postoje dhe ketu prurjen tende tek nje teme tjeter, se kjo provon dhe njehere qe Epirus eshte emri i lashte i asaj qe quhet sot Albania.

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