EPIRI - PERKATESIA E TIJ SHQIPTARE

[Socio]

Shkeputur nga 'Ne kerkim te historise Ilire' 1998 Hasan Ceka

[ALBPelasgian]

Video qe shperfaq te verteten mbi Epirin, e cila eshte bazuar ne do materiale te hedhura ketu:

Shikim te kendshem!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Agawf3IRD4

[Arbëri]

Video qe shperfaq te verteten mbi Epirin, e cila eshte bazuar ne do materiale te hedhura ketu:

Shikim te kendshem!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Agawf3IRD4

[Zeus10]

Albpelasgian, ashtu sic te shkrova dhe ne mesazh, video eshte e shume e mire, por duke pasur parasysh rendesine e titullit duhet te ishte me me shume materiale, pra me disa pjese. Kete jave le te punojme se bashku per te trajtuar problemin shkalle-shkalle, dhe permbledhur ne nje material te vetem shume te tilla, ne menyre shteruese qe te mos kete vend per komente kundershtuese.

[ALBPelasgian]

Albpelasgian, ashtu sic te shkrova dhe ne mesazh, video eshte e shume e mire, por duke pasur parasysh rendesine e titullit duhet te ishte me me shume materiale, pra me disa pjese. Kete jave le te punojme se bashku per te trajtuar problemin shkalle-shkalle, dhe permbledhur ne nje material te vetem shume te tilla, ne menyre shteruese qe te mos kete vend per komente kundershtuese.

Pa problem! Zeus, une do te mund te perqendrohesha dhe te jepja nje shpjegim te thukte shkencor me shume per periudhen Skenderbegiane dhe perdorimin e termit Epirot ne ate kohe. Poashtu, mund te sjell edhe raste te tjera perdorimi te termit Epirot per te shenuar shqiptaret e asaj kohe.

Nderkaq, per sintetizimin e materialeve ne gjuhen italiane (qe i solli Pirroja) eshte mire qe ta beje dikush qe e njeh italishten, sepse punimi qe shestojme te bejme duhet te behet rreptesisht ne rregulla shkencore, ku referenca, drejperdrejtshmeria dhe vertetesia e panashmeria duhen te jene fjale kyqe.

[Arta]

AlbPelasgian e pashe, dhe me pelqeu shume qe i kishe renditur ciatatet dhe me bibilografi. Good job!

[ALBPelasgian]

AlbPelasgian e pashe, dhe me pelqeu shume qe i kishe renditur ciatatet dhe me bibilografi. Good job!

Falemnderit Arta per vleresimin!Ja dhe nje citat qe shkeputa prej nje libri:

Paragraph 3.—Of the Albanians or Skipetarians.

The people generally known in Europe by the name of Albanians, by the Turks called Arnauts, and by themselves Skipetares, which means in their language " mountaineers" or " dwellers on rocks," inhabit the greater part of the ancient Illyricum and Epirus. (...) The eastern coast of the Adriatic, from the gulf of Drino to the bay of Arta, is the extent of proper Albania from north to south ; but the Albanian people are spread much further. Though the name of the Albanians was formerly confined to a comparatively small part of Illyricum, it cannot be supposed that the people who spoke the Albanian language were, at the period referred to, so restricted in their extent. This language is spread through all the country from Arta to Scutari. It is the idiom of all the oldest cities of Albania, and is spoken at Scutari, the ancient Scodra, which was a principal town of Illyricum in the time of Livy, and is still, by the Albanians, called by its ancient name; at Dulcigno, the Olchinum of Pliny; at Dibria, Corona, Durazzo, Chimera, and Dremas, and in Pelagonia, several of which places, as Masci has indicated, were known by name to Strabo, and the writers of times immediately following his age.:}:

The Skipetarian race is divided into four principal stems, distinguished by differences of dialect. They are the following: 1. The Guegues and Mirdites, two tribes who speak one dialect, and must be accounted one branch of the nation. The Guegues inhabit the country of Budua, on the border of Cataro, and from Montenero to the limits of Herzegovina and the Antivari on the Adriatic : the Mierdites, who are a brave people, and adhere to the Roman Catholic religion, live in the Pascbalik ofCroia. 2. TheToxides inhabit the country to the southward of Guegaria, on the right bank of the Genussus. 3. The Jagys, in the district of Berat and Delvino. 4. The Chumis, on the banks of the Acheron, to whom the Suliotes and Parginotes belong. All the four dialects have the same origin, but each has a character of its own, and is distinguished by particular words and peculiar a sound. This language is said to resemble the French in sound, but not in words.*

http://books.google.com/books?id=qL86AA ... us&f=false

"The ancient Epirots were as distinct from the Hellenes as the Albanians are from the modern Greeks"


"Turkey"‎ -Edson Lyman Clark 1902, Page 167

[ALBPelasgian]

Of the Illyrians and Epirots only the wild Albanians, or Arnauts, are still in
existence.

The historians' history of the world: a comprehensive narrative of the rise ...‎ - Page 156
Henry Smith Williams - History - 1907

[Mallakastrioti]

Ja cfare ka shkruar edhe :Scymnus of Chios (fl. c. 185 BC) was a Greek geographer.

Scymni i quan Thesprotet dhe kaonet "barbare" ashtu si dhe historianet apo gjeografet e tjere te lashtesise,si dhe ne fund eshte nje fjali e autorit te librit"Originis mundi et in eo regnorum, rerumpublicarum populorum; horumque duces :Nicolaus Gurtler (1654-1711).-ku kam nenvizuar-

"Barbari autem vocati,quia non erant origine Graeci=BARBARE THIRRESHIN ATA,QE NUK ISHIN ME ORIGJINE GREKE"!

[Mallakastrioti]

...e vazhdon akoma ky miku Nicolaus Gurtler ne vepren e tij,duke na nxjerre edhe Peloponezin BARBAR para vendosjes se grekeve aty:

[Zeus10]

Falemnderit shume Mallakastrioti, me kete plotesojme gjithe harten e Epirit si jo-Greke per lashtesine. Materiali qe do pergatis bashke me Albpelasgian do e perfshije kete dhe mendoj se do te jete derrmues per te mbjelle heshtjen e propagandes se tyre te merzitshme.

[ALBPelasgian]

"But Thucydides, who judged from the language of a nation, considers the Epirots as different from the Hellenes, nay, he expressly calls them barbarians. We understand by Epirots the nations extending from the frontier of Illyricum as far as upper Macedonia (without as yet deciding upon the name Macedonia), and then along mount Pindus as far as the Achelous. To these nations we shall apply the name Epirots. I will first mention what points they have in common, and then determine which of them are to be regarded as Epirots and which not. These nations, at least their educated classes, had so far adopted the Greek language, as to employ it everywhere in public and written transactions. This accounts for Polybius always distinctly including them among the Greeks; and he does so even in regard to those who lived beyond the boundaries of Epirus fixed by Pyrrhus: though on one occasion he makes Philip, the son of Demetrius, say of the Aetolians, that they ought not to boast too much of their Hellenic character, nor to distinguish the Macedonians from the Hellenes, since the greater part of them were descended from nonHellenes and barbarians. And the nations there spoken of were Epirot tribes. In this manner, Polybius somewhat contradicts himself".

~Lectures on ancient ethnography and geography~ By Barthold Georg Niebuhr, page 254, 1853

[ALBPelasgian]

[ALBPelasgian]

Ka edhe dhjetera shembuj te tjere te permendjes se termit Epirot si zevendesim per ate Alban ose Arber; per me teper ndiq vegezen e meposhtme:

http://books.google.com/books?id=baYCAA ... ts&f=false

[ALBPelasgian]

Burimi: http://books.google.com/books?id=xBvVAA ... q=&f=false