"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

Ilire, Maqedone dhe Helene.

Këtu mund të flisni mbi historinë tonë duke sjellë fakte historike për ndriçimin e asaj pjese të historisë mbi të cilen ka rënë harresa e kohës dhe e njerëzve.

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Ancient Greece: a political, social, and cultural history
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Dmth jo vetem nena e Alexandrit ishte Ilirjan-Epirote, edhe gjyshja e tij e jema e Philipit II ishte Ilirjane.
"I never gave anybody hell! I just told the truth and they thought it was hell."~Harry S. Truman
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ANTON FRIEDRICH BUSCHING (1724-1793), German theologian and geographer.
"Nuoua geografia, Volume 15"

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The dawn of history shows the great Peninsula of Eastern Europe divided between three tribes. The Greeks dwelt south of Heliakmon and Olympus/- the Thracians west of the Tekton valley in the eastern portion of the Peninsula,
and the Illyrians west of the Pindus. Their territory extended north as far as the site of modern Vienna, and south to the Gulf of Corinth. Of these three peoples the Greeks alone attained to a high degree of civilization and culture. They founded several colonies on the narrow coast-line of Macedonia, but the greater part of
the Peninsula to the west of the Vardar remained Illyrian,
and, to the east of the Vardar, Thracian. Only the wealthier classes and the royal family from which Alexander the Great traced his descent migrated into these countries from Grecian Thessaly in search of conquest. The Roman invasion was followed by considerable colonial development. Under the sound administrative policy of the Romans a
certain level of civilization penetrated to the greater part of the Peninsula, and a Latinized dialect became the general language. The Thracians very speedily became Romanized, as did most of the Illyrians ; the Hellenes alone
retained their national distinction. The Illyrians eventually disappeared from Macedonia; but their kindred tribe, the Albanians (Skipetars, Arnauts) remain there to this day..."

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Lettere di lady Maria Wortley Montague ... durante i suoi primi viaggi in ...
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Ajo e nenvizuar poshte eshte me e forte sepse thote per shqiptaret e Maqedonise:"...Te Premten shkojne ne Xhami dhe te Dielen shkojne ne Kishe ..."-pra udhetarja eshte disi e habitur cfare praktikimi te fese kane shqipot, -haha-
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shum diskutime interesante u kenaqa duke lexuar :)

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Dictionarium Latinohispanicum, Et Vice Versa Hispanicolatinum: Ad Haec ...
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Historia naturale
Di Gaius Plinius Secundus,-Lodovico Domenichi-1573

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"Nga Lezha fillon provinca e Maqedonise,popujt Parthine,dhe mbas tyre Dasaretet.Malet Kandavia larg nga Durresi shtatedhjet milje.Ne bregdet eshte Epidamni koloni e qytetareve Romake,quajtur nga Romaket Dirrhachio(Durresi),per te reflektuar emrin famekeq qe ajo kishte,lumi Aoo(Vjosa),quajtur nga disa Aea:Apollonia koloni e Korintheve larg shtat milie nga deti.Ne kufijte e te ciles banojne Barbaret fisnike Ninfejte,Amantet dhe Byllionet.Por ne bregdet eshte qyteti i Orikumit ndertuar nga Kolket.Pra fillon Shqiperia,& malet e Himares,me te cilat mbarova kete gji te Evropes...."
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Novum lexicon geographicum‎ - Pagina 159
Filippo Ferrari - 1697


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Dibra dhe dibranet te permendur nga Plini????

Novum lexicon geographicum‎ - Pagina 159
Filippo Ferrari - 1697


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Perkthim:

"Deborus,Dibrii Soph.(?).qytet ne Maqedonin jugore ne krahinen e Paeonise,nga Antigonea eshte Kruja 70 milje larg distante,ne Shqiperi.Popujt Doberienses Plinio(?)
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Mallakastrioti wrote:Dibra dhe dibranet te permendur nga Plini????

Novum lexicon geographicum‎ - Pagina 159
Filippo Ferrari - 1697


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Kjo tregon dhe njehere si kane evoluar fjalet shqipe gjate kohes, per te ardhur ne diten tona si fjale pa kuptim, per te cilat shpeshhere dhe studjuesit shqiptare, japin versione sikur ato jane huazime nga gjuhet sllavo, latine e greke.
Per rastin konkret dibra eshte evoluim i fjales debora dhe jo sllavishtes dobro.
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D. Paulus apostulus in mari, quod nunc Venetus sinus dicitur, naufragus, et ...-pag.CLXXXVII
Nikola Marija Đur#-dević-1730-

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"...Plutarku permend ne "Lib. de Liber.educ." Mbreteresha Maqedonase Euridice,gjyshja e Aleksandrit te Madh,me origjine Ilire("genere" lat.volgare.=genus= ORIGJINE),duke e quajtur ILIRE DHE FEMER BARBARE"....


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