"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
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Këtu mund të flisni mbi historinë tonë duke sjellë fakte historike për ndriçimin e asaj pjese të historisë mbi të cilen ka rënë harresa e kohës dhe e njerëzve.
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Pirro, te falemnderit per materialet e shkelqyeshme mbi Shqiptaresine e Maqedonise qe po i sjell ne kete teme. I lexova te gjitha pervec ketyre dyjave qe s'po hapen dot. Nese mundesh postoj serish!
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Arnaouts, or Albanians ; a people of mixed origin, probably the primitive inhabitants of Illyria and Macedonia, intermixed with Goths, Huns and Sclavonians, who have spread in the western part of Rumelia, along the coasts of the Adriatic and Ionian seas, and have sent colonies to the Neapolitan and Sicilian coasts. Their language has not risen to the dignity of a written one. They call themselves Skypetars ; by the Turks they are called Arnaouts. They are divided into several tribes, among whom the Suliotes (q. v.) are partly of Greek origin. Strong and warlike by nature, the Arnaouts were the best soldiers in the Turkish army. They are frank towards friends and superiors, but allow themselves, like all rude nations, every kind of artifice and perfidy towards their enemies. The oppression, under which they formerly lived, filled them with the desire of liberty For arts and trades they nave no inclination. Agriculture they esteem not sc honorable an occupation as arms. Their restless spirit is averse to the uniformity of peace. Yet they are not acquainted with the higher tactics ; they never form a line of battle, and do not understand the advantages of strong positions. Hence they are not so efficient against European armies as might be expected from their personal courage. They carry the choicest weapons. Upon their breast they wear a plate of silver, and their legs are covered with a kind of greaves ; their hair is cut short in front, and hid by a red bonnet, drawn down to the eyebrows.—Albania, part of the Turkish province Arnaout Vilajetti, a mountainous, maritime country, but very well adapted to the cultivation of wine, fruit, cotton and tobacco, lying along the Adriatic and Ionian seas, is the true country of the Arnaouts.—The Montenegrins (q. v.) in the hills of Montenegro, whom the Turks have not yet been able to van quish, are distinguished among them. Among the principal towns, we may mention Janina (q. v.) and Scutari, with 12,000 inhabitants (not to be confounded with the city of the same name in Anatolia, over against Constantinople), both residences of pachas; also Durazzo, the oid Dyrrhachium.

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Arnaouts, or Albanians ; a people of mixeil origin, probably the primitive inhabitants of Illyria and Macedonia, intermixed with Goths, Huns, and Sclavonians. who have spread in the western part of Rumelia, along the coasts of the Adriatic and Ionian seas, and have sent colonies to the Neapolitan and Sicilian coasts. Their language has not risen to the dignity of a written one. They call themselves Skypetars; by the Turks they are called Amaouts. They are divided into several tribes, among whom the Suliotes (q. v.) are partly of Greek origin. Strong and warlike by nature, the Arnaouts were the best soldiers in the Turkish army. They are frank towards friends and superiors, but allow themselves

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like all rude nations, every kind of artifice and perfidy towards their enemies. The oppression, under which they formerly lived, filled them with the desire of liberty. For arts and trades they have no inclination. Agriculture they esteem not so honourable an occupation as arms. Their restless spirit is averse to the uniformity of peace. Yet they are not acquainted with the higher tactics; they never form a Hue of battle, and do not understand the advantages of strong positions. Hence they are not so efficient against European armies as might be expected from their personal courage. The native A.isof a middle stature; his face is oval, with high cheek bones ; his neck long; his chest full and broad. His air is erect and majestic. Differing from the grave and sluggish deportment of the Turk, he is gay, lively, and active. The subjoined cuts represent the prevailing costume of the Arnaouts. They go constantly armed; and there are few who, in the prime of life, have not belonged to some of the numerous bands of robbers who infest the mountains of their native country, of Thessaly, and of Macedonia. This profession carries with it no disgrace : it is common for the A. to mention circumstances which occurred, " when he was a robber."—Albania, (q. v.) part of the Turkish province Arnaout Vilajetti, a mountainous, maritime country, but very well adapted to the cultivation of wine, fruit, cotton, and tobacco, lying along the Adriatic aud Ionian seas, is the true country of the Arnaouts.—The Montenegrins (q. v.) in the hills of Montenegro, whom the Turks have not yet been able to vanquish, are distinguished among them. Among the principal towns, we may mention Janina (q. v.) and Scutari, with 12,000 inhabitants (not to be confounded with the city of the same name in Anatolia, over against Constantinople), both residences of pachas; also Durazzo, the old Dyrrhachium.

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The Illyrians carried on commerce and warfare with their neighbors. The ancient Macedonians probably had some Illyrian roots, but their ruling class adopted Greek cultural characteristics. The Illyrians also mingled with the Thracians, another ancient people with adjoining lands on the east. In the south and along the Adriatic Sea coast, the Illyrians were heavily influenced by the Greeks, who founded trading colonies there. The present-day city of Durrës evolved from a Greek colony known as Epidamnos, which was founded at the end of the seventh century B.C. Another famous Greek colony, Apollonia, arose between Durrës and the port city of Vlorë.

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The Thracians and the Illyrians were the original inhabitants of Macedonia. The ancient Macedonians of Alexander the Great are thought to have been a Thracian or Illyrian tribe (1).

(1) C. Anastasoff, The Bulgarians, Hicksville, NY: Exposition Press, 1977, p17

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In inquiring into the early history of the Macedonians, two question*, which are frequently confounded, ought to be carefully kept distinct, namely, the origin of the Macedonian people, and that of the Macedonian monarchy under the Temenidae ; for, while there is abundant reason for believing that the Macedonian princes were descended from an Hellenic race, it appears probable that the Macedonians themselves were an Illyrian people, though the country must also have been inhabited in very early times by many Hellenic tribes. The Greeks themselves always regarded the Macedonians as barbarians, that is, as a people not of Hellenic origin ; and the similarity of the manners and customs, as well as the languages, as far as they are known, of the early Macedonians and Illyrians, appear to establish the identity of the two nations. In the time of Herodotus, the name of Maccdtmis comprehended only rV> country to the south and west of the Lydias, for be oSserves that Macedonis was separated from Hottir-it by the united mouth of the Lydias and Haliacmon (Wtrod., 7. 127). How far inland Herodotus conceived that Macedonia extended, does not appear

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...the aboriginal Macedonians were closely identified in speech, dress, and method of wearing their hair with the Illyrian tribes by the ancients

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The Thracians and the Illyrians were the original inhabitants of Macedonia. The ancient Macedonians of Alexander the Great are thought to have been a Thracian or Illyrian tribe (1).

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Gjuha e Epiriotasve te vjeter ishte, sipas Strabonit, e njejte me ate te maqedonasve, ashtu si ne ditet e sotme ajo (gjuha) e shqiptareve, pasardhesve te tyre, shtrihet deri ne kufijte e maqedonise se vjeter.

Sipas Kopitar-it gjuha Shqipe ka influencuar gjuhen aktuale Vllehe, nje perej dialekteve Roman, ashtu si edhe ate Bullgare nje prej dialekteve sllave.
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Straboni pasi pershkruan gjithe popujt barbare te Evropes shtone qe Thesalet pas Maqedonis ishin (shkrim ne greqishte???) dei ne Mali. Mal ne shqipe do te thote Mal. Pra Malii-tet ishin malesoret banoret e Pindit dhe te Olimpit: dhe quhen nga straboni si Maliesi e vertete (100% malesore) ashtu sic quhet edhe vendi. Pra kjo fjale ishte ne gjuhen e vjeter maqedonase dhe eshte sote e kesaj dite fjale shqip.
Nga mal rjedh edhe Mallea qytet ne Thesali dhe Malea mal ne Ftiotide. Popujt (greqishte???) ne Thesali sikur te ishin malesore.

Nga keto te dhena dhe te tjera mund te nxjerim qe ne gjuhen shqipe gjejme gjurme te gjuhes se maqedonasve te vjeter.

Ashtu si sote greket nuk kuptojne shqipen ashtu edhe Helenet nuk e kuptonin maqedonishten barbare te kohrave te mbreterise maqedonase.


(fjale greqishte) e perdorur nga Atamantet popull i Thesalise, i referohe nje lloje buke: dhe qe (fjal greqishte) i referohej bukes se maqedonasve dhe te thesalve. Sote ne shqipe Drams dhe Dramesite eshte nje lloje brumi i pjekur (si lasanjet ne sicili). Keshtu mund te gjehen fjale te tjera si etnografike edhe gjeografike
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